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Re: LineageOS 18.1

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Google Trends is telling me that "peak modding" for android was around 2014, and has steadily been decreasing since. [0] What happened since then? Are people more satisfied with stock ROMs and see less use for them? FWIW, my own phone is on LineageOS, and love the freedom it provides. [0] https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2009-11-01%202...

For me it was fintech apps. They all stop working on Android mods.

Re: LineageOS 18.1

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post #39

Google Trends is telling me that "peak modding" for android was around 2014, and has steadily been decreasing since. [0] What happened since then? Are people more satisfied with stock ROMs and see less use for them? FWIW, my own phone is on LineageOS, and love the freedom it provides. [0] https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2009-11-01%202...

A lot happened - many more recent phones, especially from big brands like Samsung heavily restrict unlocking of their bootloaders. Google implemented SafetyNet, meaning anyone who wants to use things like Google Pay, Netflix, even Pokemon Go and others now has to jump through hoops. Additionally, things like Netflix are still restricted from HD playback on unlocked devices due to hardware DRM. Android has also gotten…

DRM is a problem everywhere including linux and running ChromiumOS. There is a protected path from the stream to the display that needs to be "certified" in order to support something like 1080p. I guess for payments it's similar. Its really unnecessary and waste of resources imo. But creators probably want some kind of assurances and so we are stuck with it.

Re: LineageOS 18.1

#43
post #35

Unfortunately, even if LOS supports my device (it does), it's not a viable solution anymore for me as a primary smartphone OS (even though I really appreciate some of its features -- used it for years on previous phones) due to SafetyNet. - Google Pay will stop working. - My banks' (multiple) primary apps and pushTAN solutions will stop working. and that's two of the most important things I use my phone for nowadays.…

What benefit does this restrictive bank offer over, say, a credit union? Or another big bank without this app requirement?

Re: LineageOS 18.1

#44
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot happened - many more recent phones, especially from big brands like Samsung heavily restrict unlocking of their bootloaders. Google implemented SafetyNet, meaning anyone who wants to use things like Google Pay, Netflix, even Pokemon Go and others now has to jump through hoops. Additionally, things like Netflix are still restricted from HD playback on unlocked devices due to hardware DRM. Android has also gotten…

DRM is a problem everywhere including linux and running ChromiumOS. There is a protected path from the stream to the display that needs to be "certified" in order to support something like 1080p. I guess for payments it's similar. Its really unnecessary and waste of resources imo. But creators probably want some kind of assurances and so we are stuck with it.

> payments it's similar

Without the protected path, how do you know that a malicious program doesn't use a low-level API to start a payment from your account without you noticing ?

Re: LineageOS 18.1

#45

Google Trends is telling me that "peak modding" for android was around 2014, and has steadily been decreasing since. [0] What happened since then? Are people more satisfied with stock ROMs and see less use for them? FWIW, my own phone is on LineageOS, and love the freedom it provides. [0] https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2009-11-01%202...

I personally lost the appeal once Android One devices became more available.

Re: LineageOS 18.1

#46
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot happened - many more recent phones, especially from big brands like Samsung heavily restrict unlocking of their bootloaders. Google implemented SafetyNet, meaning anyone who wants to use things like Google Pay, Netflix, even Pokemon Go and others now has to jump through hoops. Additionally, things like Netflix are still restricted from HD playback on unlocked devices due to hardware DRM. Android has also gotten…

DRM is a problem everywhere including linux and running ChromiumOS. There is a protected path from the stream to the display that needs to be "certified" in order to support something like 1080p. I guess for payments it's similar. Its really unnecessary and waste of resources imo. But creators probably want some kind of assurances and so we are stuck with it.

You are forgetting that DRM stopped all that piracy that bankrupted the movie industry. That's also why there were so few movies released in the last 15 months or so.

It really debunks that myth that open source software could ever handle the strong encryption that's so desperately needed to protect new movies and TV shows from showing up on The Pirate Bay.

I for one welcome this cogent and secure technological response to a market issue.

Re: LineageOS 18.1

#47
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DRM is a problem everywhere including linux and running ChromiumOS. There is a protected path from the stream to the display that needs to be "certified" in order to support something like 1080p. I guess for payments it's similar. Its really unnecessary and waste of resources imo. But creators probably want some kind of assurances and so we are stuck with it.

> payments it's similar Without the protected path, how do you know that a malicious program doesn't use a low-level API to start a payment from your account without you noticing ?

1- You don't, but it's not a real problem since non-cryptocurrency payments are reversible and trackable, so scammers won't use them. They'll rather exploit analog ways to get money out of you, recent example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrKW58MS12g#t=7m18s

2- You don't, but sandboxing should be enough to isolate untrustworthy apps from OS-level APIs that could do what you're afraid of.

Re: LineageOS 18.1

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post #43
post #35

Unfortunately, even if LOS supports my device (it does), it's not a viable solution anymore for me as a primary smartphone OS (even though I really appreciate some of its features -- used it for years on previous phones) due to SafetyNet. - Google Pay will stop working. - My banks' (multiple) primary apps and pushTAN solutions will stop working. and that's two of the most important things I use my phone for nowadays.…

What benefit does this restrictive bank offer over, say, a credit union? Or another big bank without this app requirement?

In many countries, all banks are moving towards apps that require Google Play Services and passing Safety Net. (And a diverse ecosystem of "credit unions" is a USA-specific thing.) Banks are phasing out other means of 2FA like code cards or code calculators, and expecting all customers to have an Android or Apple phone.

Re: LineageOS 18.1

#49
post #35

Unfortunately, even if LOS supports my device (it does), it's not a viable solution anymore for me as a primary smartphone OS (even though I really appreciate some of its features -- used it for years on previous phones) due to SafetyNet. - Google Pay will stop working. - My banks' (multiple) primary apps and pushTAN solutions will stop working. and that's two of the most important things I use my phone for nowadays.…

Indeed. It's not even just banking apps - even my TSP's app refuses to run on my Samsung phone now that I have tripped its Knox counter. It's just a lazy and convenient approach to prevent tampering.

Re: LineageOS 18.1

#50

Google Trends is telling me that "peak modding" for android was around 2014, and has steadily been decreasing since. [0] What happened since then? Are people more satisfied with stock ROMs and see less use for them? FWIW, my own phone is on LineageOS, and love the freedom it provides. [0] https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2009-11-01%202...

Personally, the Pixel line has greatly reduced the need for third party distributions, which I used primarily to get rid of vendor garbage. Pixels are the only phones I will buy now.

Pixels still have junk - but it's only Google's junk. There's value in getting rid of the base image and switching to LineageOS (or another distribution) but the situation isn't so dire as it is with other vendors.

I love that LineageOS is still going strong and it fills a huge gap once official software updates cease. I just no longer view it as a hard requirement.

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