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Pro1 X: A Linux smartphone with slideout keyboard

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Re: Pro1 X: A Linux smartphone with slideout keyboard

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It's astonishing to me that folks are still releasing phones which have no IP rating, let alone devices that are not fully waterproof (IP67). I'm probably in a class of folks who are in and around water more than most, however the flagships have all adopted this.

AFAIK it's very hard for a small company to make their device waterproof. And we certrainly need more competition in the smartphone duopoly.

Re: Pro1 X: A Linux smartphone with slideout keyboard

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It is really fat: about 14mm, nearly twice as thick as most current phones.

It does look like two phones. I wonder if it wouldn't be better to make it actually two phones (or separate phone-sized devices), so you can use the touchscreen part as a phone, and have the other part be a pluggable keyboard + powerbank.

The textblade (https://waytools.com/ ) would be the ideal form factor in my mind. Unfortunately, it has been 6 years since they said they were going to release it though there have been people (testers) using it for real for several years.

Re: Pro1 X: A Linux smartphone with slideout keyboard

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There's no free lunch, and it's easy to overlook the compromises involved in the devices that used to have physical keyboards. By modern standards, blackberrys had a woefully small screen and phones with slideout keyboards were very fat. This device doesn't look fat which suggests to me that the compromise might be either battery life or low processor power. That said, although this is definitely not for me, it's gen…

It is really fat: about 14mm, nearly twice as thick as most current phones.

I don’t mind more thick than current phones. There’s absolutely no reason to think every user has the same demands for form factors. Just like some people would only ever buy a truck and others sedans.

Re: Pro1 X: A Linux smartphone with slideout keyboard

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I see positive comments about the keyboard, but is it really a good UX to type on such a small keyboard? I mean, when you use your laptop, pretty much all of your fingers are involved in the process of typing, whereas if the same keyboard is part of a mobile phone, you only use your thumbs, which is the opposite of how qwerty keyboards supposed to be used. It feels like the idea of a full-blown keyboard on a mobile p…

I think the main advantage is blind typing. No amount of muscle memory can trump the tactile feedback of raised keys and home-row notches. When you're forced to rely on sight, you make more errors and are limited to using just one finger at a time (because your eyes can only focus on one spot at once).

With that being said, I can blind type on my smartphone, just not with a QWERTY IME. I instead use a 4x4 grid-layout (MessagEase [1]) that's large enough to consistently hit the correct zones without any visual feedback.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MessagEase

Re: Pro1 X: A Linux smartphone with slideout keyboard

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post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is really fat: about 14mm, nearly twice as thick as most current phones.

It does look like two phones. I wonder if it wouldn't be better to make it actually two phones (or separate phone-sized devices), so you can use the touchscreen part as a phone, and have the other part be a pluggable keyboard + powerbank.

Issue with separate devices is now half the time I won't be carrying the keyboard because it's extra optional bulk. Also the connection would probably be much crappier meaning the form factor won't be as convenient, the keyboard being part of the phone means they're pretty well connected where the two separate pieces version doesn't have one.

Re: Pro1 X: A Linux smartphone with slideout keyboard

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I see positive comments about the keyboard, but is it really a good UX to type on such a small keyboard? I mean, when you use your laptop, pretty much all of your fingers are involved in the process of typing, whereas if the same keyboard is part of a mobile phone, you only use your thumbs, which is the opposite of how qwerty keyboards supposed to be used. It feels like the idea of a full-blown keyboard on a mobile p…

It is indeed faster and more accurate to use physical keys on a smaller device.

The competition is the exact same thing btw, with less screen and tactile feedback. Both will give you text thumb repetitive stress problems, but doing that on a hard screen will more so. Remember, this isn't theoretical, we used to use these all the time.

The drawbacks of a physical keyboard are in things like flexibility (you can't easily remap or change the size of the keys) and thickness.

Re: Pro1 X: A Linux smartphone with slideout keyboard

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This brings about fond memories of my htc tyntyn. Shame it ran windows but it was a cool device. I could ssh into my servers back when almost no one even saw a touch screen, and the keyboard albeit small, was amazing. If this device delivers then i am 100% buying it.

Re: Pro1 X: A Linux smartphone with slideout keyboard

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What is your baseline for how good swipe typing is? Pre-smartphone plenty of people touch typed text messages. No need to be staring at the screen. Stealth messages could be sent without taking the phone out of your pocket. Physical keyboards probably appear to a significant section of people who would like to use their phone as a productivity device. Surely if swipe typing is so good it would be an option in Windows…

I almost never swipe type unless I am in bed with one hand. Otherwise, tap typing is what I prefer. I have sort of a weird grip but can type at about 80-90wpm on my phone with enough accuracy that autocorrect works the majority of the time. I can also type reasonably well under my desk without looking, but that would be much easier with physical buttons. Does everyone else swipe type now?

> I have sort of a weird grip but can type at about 80-90wpm on my phone with enough accuracy that autocorrect works the majority of the time.

I'm quite curious about your `weird grip'; 80-90 wpm on a touchscreen sounds absurdly fast.

Re: Pro1 X: A Linux smartphone with slideout keyboard

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I see positive comments about the keyboard, but is it really a good UX to type on such a small keyboard? I mean, when you use your laptop, pretty much all of your fingers are involved in the process of typing, whereas if the same keyboard is part of a mobile phone, you only use your thumbs, which is the opposite of how qwerty keyboards supposed to be used. It feels like the idea of a full-blown keyboard on a mobile p…

The n900 had a _tiny_ keyboard. But it was practical to type are almost normal keyboard speeds. Unlike on a touch screen, where auto correct gets in the way.

Re: Pro1 X: A Linux smartphone with slideout keyboard

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I still consider my old Nokia E70[0] my favorite phone of all time, so I am definitely in the target demographic for this, as I'm 100% sold on the usefulness of a physical keyboard on a phone... However the CPU just doesn't match the "pro" branding, or the price range. I'd personally rather throw an extra $200-300 on top to get a flagship CPU and then it would be close to a perfect phone for me! As it currently is, the Snapdragon 662 shipped in the pro-1x gets blown away by my current Pixel 5's Snapdragon 765G - and Pixel phones recently have been generally characterized as having "above-average hardware specs but not enough to justify flagship prices".

Separately, I am also curious for a phone like this that could run Android, LineageOS, and Ubuntu Touch - are there "dual boot" options in the mobile space? With 256GB storage it seems like it should be possible. I'd like to have old reliable Android as a daily driver, but maybe periodically drop into a less stable but more flexible environment like ubuntu.

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_E70

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