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Re: Pro1 X: A Linux smartphone with slideout keyboard

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Post by rorykoehler » Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 1:45 PM UTC

tifadg1 wrote: post #23

For english language, swipe typing coupled with autocorrect works astonishingly well. So much so that I use it regularly because of lazyness. What segment does the physical keyboard appeal to? Youngins were born and raised touching the screen, so it's archaic to them. Old timers are jaded at this point to either wait for their dream phone or buy any cheap crap. So who's the target for this 900 usd device?

Most of what I wrote makes no sense. The previous sentence has only one to be to get the just.

I swiped the above and you can see the results.

Re: Pro1 X: A Linux smartphone with slideout keyboard

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Post by dmos62 » Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 1:45 PM UTC

varispeed wrote: post #117

dmos62 wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But a non-meh processor means less battery time. I'd prefer meh processor to meh battery life. Meh.

I would prefer a better CPU and a power bank in my bag.

It depends on whether or not a person has a use case for a better cpu.

Re: Pro1 X: A Linux smartphone with slideout keyboard

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Post by varispeed » Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 1:45 PM UTC

Ashanmaril wrote: post #102

It's a sad fact of life that if you want a good phone that will age okay, and be supported for at least a few years with OS/security updates, and will have decent customer support if you run into issues, you're just gonna have to get a phone from one of the big guys. Making a phone is hard. Every time I see one of these niche phones that tries to appeal to a crowd with offers of "privacy" or "user control" I think it…

I never needed customer support for a phone and never done any updates (I have not updated my phone for like 3 years, because I know the next update disables call recording).

I'd love a phone with good specs, as many open parts as possible and with all schematics and BOM so I could fix it myself if something goes wrong.

Re: Pro1 X: A Linux smartphone with slideout keyboard

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Post by wazoox » Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 1:45 PM UTC

seanhunter wrote: post #110

There's no free lunch, and it's easy to overlook the compromises involved in the devices that used to have physical keyboards. By modern standards, blackberrys had a woefully small screen and phones with slideout keyboards were very fat. This device doesn't look fat which suggests to me that the compromise might be either battery life or low processor power. That said, although this is definitely not for me, it's gen…

It is really fat: about 14mm, nearly twice as thick as most current phones.

Re: Pro1 X: A Linux smartphone with slideout keyboard

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Post by antibuddy » Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 1:45 PM UTC

blandflakes wrote: post #34

tifadg1 wrote: post #23

For english language, swipe typing coupled with autocorrect works astonishingly well. So much so that I use it regularly because of lazyness. What segment does the physical keyboard appeal to? Youngins were born and raised touching the screen, so it's archaic to them. Old timers are jaded at this point to either wait for their dream phone or buy any cheap crap. So who's the target for this 900 usd device?

Honestly, I find that it works astonishingly poorly. Autocorrect is often wrong, sometimes showing the right thing milliseconds before second-guessing itself into a totally wrong word, so now I'm having to backspace because for some reason typing the actual letters I want is bad user interface. Agreed regarding target audience, though.

I have a hybrid experience where I really need swipe to get things done fast, but I always disable autocorrect, because when I actually type I don't like to be corrected. This way I can put the anger on me rather than the software.

Re: Pro1 X: A Linux smartphone with slideout keyboard

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Post by tifadg1 » Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 1:46 PM UTC

nochowder wrote: post #39

tifadg1 wrote: post #23

For english language, swipe typing coupled with autocorrect works astonishingly well. So much so that I use it regularly because of lazyness. What segment does the physical keyboard appeal to? Youngins were born and raised touching the screen, so it's archaic to them. Old timers are jaded at this point to either wait for their dream phone or buy any cheap crap. So who's the target for this 900 usd device?

>What segment does the physical keyboard appeal to? Sysadmins, hackers, etc. Ever tried ”swipe typing coupled with autocorrect” in an SSH session?

I just wonder how practical it really is to do any kind of meaningful sysadmin work on a phone. Yeah you can ssh and type long commands better, but if you're in an enterprise setting you have to vpn in, then connect to a jump server so you have ssh aliases and pki certs. Or have them ready on your phone, but how do you keep it up to date? What about auxiliary programs that are needed to make better decisions once ssh is established (monitoring)?..

I'm saying maybe it's legit, maybe I'm just oldfashioned.

Re: Pro1 X: A Linux smartphone with slideout keyboard

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Post by imbusy111 » Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 1:46 PM UTC

I see little advantage vs. any other Android smartphone + Bluetooth keyboard of your choice.

Re: Pro1 X: A Linux smartphone with slideout keyboard

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Post by vimacs2 » Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 1:47 PM UTC

oblio wrote: post #64

nochowder wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>What segment does the physical keyboard appeal to? Sysadmins, hackers, etc. Ever tried ”swipe typing coupled with autocorrect” in an SSH session?

Yeah, but then I hope their OS is super optimized and runs like a demon on the Snapdragon 662. Most likely, if it's Android, at some point it will lag even while typing using that physical keyboard.

It's running Lineage OS which is pretty close to stock Android sans a lot of the invasive Google telemetry so it will probably run smoother than you would expect given the specs.

Re: Pro1 X: A Linux smartphone with slideout keyboard

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Post by wffurr » Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 1:48 PM UTC

Loughla wrote: post #115

Swenrekcah wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First of all, there are other languages than English. Some of them are programming languages. Also a touchscreen can not be operated with sweaty fingers or slightly unusual conditions. No they really can not be reliably used, recent years’ improvements notwithstanding. If I ever need to use my phone in an emergency outside in the cold with wet, sweaty perhaps bloody hands, I’d appreciate a 100% physical keyboard cont…

>Some of them are programming languages. Are you doing programming on your smartphone? I agree with the rest - sweaty fingers or wet fingers in general, or god forbid you want to wear gloves where it's cold. But programming on a smartphone?

I don't know about programming but I have definitely used a remote shell session from my phone while on the subway.

Can't now because my device doesn't have sufficient access, but I used to have VPN on it.

Re: Pro1 X: A Linux smartphone with slideout keyboard

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Post by crocsarecool » Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 1:49 PM UTC

tifadg1 wrote: post #23

For english language, swipe typing coupled with autocorrect works astonishingly well. So much so that I use it regularly because of lazyness. What segment does the physical keyboard appeal to? Youngins were born and raised touching the screen, so it's archaic to them. Old timers are jaded at this point to either wait for their dream phone or buy any cheap crap. So who's the target for this 900 usd device?

I’ve actually heard people with certain handicaps find they can type better with the physical keyboard. I’m not sure what those handicaps are - I read it a long time ago. I think one thing may have been poor eyesight and being able to feel the keys helped aid them.