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Re: Beach High School

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> I'm often asked a question like, "How are you able to award a diploma on the basis of nothing other than an essay and a letter of support?" The answer to this very reasonable question has two parts. First, I'm in a legal position to offer a diploma on this basis simply because there are no mandated requirements, in California law or anywhere else, for graduation from a private high school. (California law sets many…

Ask yourself what is the point and value of credential you award yourself?

Gets you out of child jail.

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> I'm often asked a question like, "How are you able to award a diploma on the basis of nothing other than an essay and a letter of support?" The answer to this very reasonable question has two parts. First, I'm in a legal position to offer a diploma on this basis simply because there are no mandated requirements, in California law or anywhere else, for graduation from a private high school. (California law sets many…

Even much more minor versions of hacks like that play well in US interviews, IME. Nobody wants to see the straight-laced head-down academic--they want the smirking rebel who broke all the rules and drove the homecoming float anyway. (Never mind that the people who broke the rules four years earlier now have criminal records for netsending "hi" to everyone in the school.) One of the things nobody tells you in college…

Many employers care a fair bit about the college metric that is your GPA

Re: Beach High School

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> I'm often asked a question like, "How are you able to award a diploma on the basis of nothing other than an essay and a letter of support?" The answer to this very reasonable question has two parts. First, I'm in a legal position to offer a diploma on this basis simply because there are no mandated requirements, in California law or anywhere else, for graduation from a private high school. (California law sets many…

> A co-worker of mine formed her own private high school — while in public high school — and then graduated herself from it. She was running a successful business already, so it made sense to her at the time. "Teachers hate her: smart student figures out secret hack for early graduation from high school!" :) Minimal-requirement/self-directed HS does sound like it could be great for some students. College courses are…

In what I have seen, colleges don't have better teaching. They are not designed to have better teaching then high schools. The student is basically expected to be already skilled enough to not need educator, but only expert that knows stuff.

It may be better fit for minority of students, but better teaching is that that thing they get there.

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I really wish something like this existed at a University level. I started and never finished a university degree in Australia (circa 2000), because I ran out of money and my home life was in a state of disarray (parents mid divorce).

20 years later I'm a working technologist and could probably teach almost all the undergraduate subjects, but I never got that piece of paper.

Universities usually have the ability to award credits for prior knowledge, but I doubt they would respond well to you rocking up and asking for credits in everything.

When I was applying for tech jobs, the lack of degree has never really mattered. Now that I'm self-employed it matters even less, except with things like long-term visas that often have requirements to have a bachelors degree as a minimum.

I don't keep up-to-date with how the computer-science degrees have changed over the years, though I'm not still programming in C/C++ either :)

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One issue I see with this, unfortunately, is that most universities require a High School transcript that details the grades and subjects taken along with GPA. By getting this diploma, you won't get that. That eliminates a lot of choices for getting a university degree. Sadly many jobs in STEM require a university degree.

It's true that a lot of entry-level technology(T) positions look for a university degree as minimum. Unlike some other parts of STEM it's not a regulatory requirement.

There are also movements like https://www.nocsdegree.com/.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Completing high school is one of those things that isn't a big deal for some people who are already on a good track, are broadly intelligent. But I'm going to guess the overwhelming majority of people who think it isn't for them actually need it quite a bit. I also think for self motivated intellectual kids, completing high school anyways really isn't much of a roadblock or time waster.

For the people who you categorise as “thinking they don’t need it but they do”, do they really? It’s not like the majority of the folks around you remember an aorta of anything they learned in HS. The only things they remember are probably the things that happened outside of it. Not saying it’s justified that they skip HS but I feel like there’s more thought needed.

What I concluded, especially I took a few neuroscience courses, after was that the computer/database/memory model is not good to explain school and learning.

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My take:

You don't learn to remember what you learn. You learn to build roads, pretty much literally inside your brain (it constantly rewires).

It's more like unpaved paths before road building: First there is wilderness, then there is a lot of traffic, and increasingly that traffic concentrates on more and more clear paths.

The learning of "stuff" is creating paths. The things - ideas, knowledge, facts - that you learn are like the carts travelling the paths. They may be gone - but the paths remain.

So even after every single thing is forgotten - every single traveler and cart is no longer there - what remains is the paths. The wiring inside your brain changes in the learning process. You may not remember much of what traveled through your brain, what created the paths, but your brain nevertheless remains changed.

Even if you forget every single thing, the way you think and react will have changed forever.

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Using the metric "what I remember from my courses" is the wrong metric. Instead, it should be "how did my way of thinking change".

I took a lot (really a lot) of (mostly university level) courses long after university, in fields unrelated to my career and previous study. That's when I noticed far more clearly than ever before, despite very good success (I was even made TA a few times), the concrete things I was able to recall even just a year later was really small. Then I noticed it's the same with my core field really.

The concrete things we know is actually rather small. I forgot sooooo much. Only things I use regularly are available in a way that I could pass an exam (school or university). Still, I changed quite a bit, but it's all "meta". I now know the path I have to take instead of being lost. Even if I don't understand the concrete items e.g. in a medical paper (e.g. names of some genes or proteins), instead of feeling lost I have a "feeling" what it is about, and I can easily look it up and understand very quickly because I have a framework ready to receive what I read.

Our actual "memory" is pretty small, it's all about the paths. Literally, in the brain.

Re: Beach High School

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> I'm often asked a question like, "How are you able to award a diploma on the basis of nothing other than an essay and a letter of support?" The answer to this very reasonable question has two parts. First, I'm in a legal position to offer a diploma on this basis simply because there are no mandated requirements, in California law or anywhere else, for graduation from a private high school. (California law sets many…

This is both hilarious and slightly alarming, because it implies the existence of a lot more shadow schools that may not be as well intentioned but aren't subject to scrutiny.

I was homeschooled for a bit in the 80s in the UK, but I think it would be considerably harder these days as every form of schooling is subject to OFSTED inspection and there have been a set of scandals relating to tiny religious schools with weird curriculums.

Re: Beach High School

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post #47

One issue I see with this, unfortunately, is that most universities require a High School transcript that details the grades and subjects taken along with GPA. By getting this diploma, you won't get that. That eliminates a lot of choices for getting a university degree. Sadly many jobs in STEM require a university degree.

You can probably get around this by starting at. community college and then transferring to the school of your choice. Most schools have stricter admmissions standards for new freshmen than they do for older students transferring over.

Re: Beach High School

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even much more minor versions of hacks like that play well in US interviews, IME. Nobody wants to see the straight-laced head-down academic--they want the smirking rebel who broke all the rules and drove the homecoming float anyway. (Never mind that the people who broke the rules four years earlier now have criminal records for netsending "hi" to everyone in the school.) One of the things nobody tells you in college…

Many employers care a fair bit about the college metric that is your GPA

A GPA that's much too low can hurt you, but it's way lower on the priority list at most employers than students are led to believe.

Re: Beach High School

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even much more minor versions of hacks like that play well in US interviews, IME. Nobody wants to see the straight-laced head-down academic--they want the smirking rebel who broke all the rules and drove the homecoming float anyway. (Never mind that the people who broke the rules four years earlier now have criminal records for netsending "hi" to everyone in the school.) One of the things nobody tells you in college…

Many employers care a fair bit about the college metric that is your GPA

There’s more than just GPA. GPA is usually a function of how rich your parents are. I’ll take the kid who held a job and went to school over the kid who just went to school.
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