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Re: Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says

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Post by mandelbrotwurst » Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 4:14 AM UTC

dublin wrote: post #121

ipsum2 wrote: post #14

Reminds me when X-rays first were discovered, everyone claimed their product contained them, including X-ray headache tablets, golf balls, stove polish, razor blades. https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/full/10.1148/rg.242035157 for some fun pictures. I won't be surprised when AI toothbrushes come out.

I promise you the AI toothbrushes ARE coming. Just wait...

Yeah, I once had an employer offer a dental plan from a company who sent us all wi-fi capable toothbrushes complete with a mobile app with the promise of discounts in our group rate in exchange for letting the things phone home.

Re: Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says

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Post by austinjp » Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 9:41 AM UTC

kerblang wrote: post #101

Hey, would somebody mind breaking down the different not-necessarily-AI things? Like is machine learning the same as neural nets or a subset? This would be tremendously useful! I would assume "expert systems" falls somewhere at the bottom of the list, right above "good old vanilla programming". Dunno how linear regression fits in.

Some of the boundaries here are blurry and subjective, making it nontrivial to produce neat categories.

Personally, I go to the Wikipedia page for any particular term and follow the crowd wisdom, plus a grain of salt.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Actually, you raise a genuine issue. Terminology isn't clear, and that makes discussion difficult.

I believe that the notion of AI was predictive, and emergent, and retro-fitted. It emerged around the 1950s (arguably), gained some degree of formalisation, meanwhile the goalposts shifted and the field diversified, and now the term is applied haphazardly. I think it's now the responsibility of the user of the phrase to define their terms... which probably indicates that it's no longer fit for purpose.

Re: Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says

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Post by Sebb767 » Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 10:48 AM UTC

omnicognate wrote: post #98

Sebb767 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There is no "intelligence" here as we know it, not even a hint. There are algorithms operating on data for very prescribed use cases. I agree with your general point, but if you break it down, our brains a nothing "intelligent" either. It's just a network of neurons searching for patterns in the sensor input. Sure, it can reconfigure itself, but from a really abstract perspective it's nothing more than a ultra-scal…

> it's nothing more than a ultra-scaled neural network as we currently use them You state this as if it is an undisputed/obvious fact, but it isn't.

It does not matter for my point. Even if our NNs miss some part of neuron function, it would look comparable to a simple if/a multiplication on the smallest level. My point is that the complexity/intelligence comes from size; just because our algorithms adapt minimally or accept pre-defined scenarios, does not mean that they are fundamentally unintelligent because we're able to fully understand them.

Re: Stop Calling Everything AI, Machine-Learning Pioneer Says

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Post by anaganisk » Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 10:57 AM UTC

mandelbrotwurst wrote: post #131

dublin wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I promise you the AI toothbrushes ARE coming. Just wait...

Yeah, I once had an employer offer a dental plan from a company who sent us all wi-fi capable toothbrushes complete with a mobile app with the promise of discounts in our group rate in exchange for letting the things phone home.

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