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Redefining what a map can be with new information and AI

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Re: Redefining what a map can be with new information and AI

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I am surprised that no one mentioned www.abetterrouteplanner.com yet, which is EV-oriented and takes into account not only charging stations (and their power output), but also elevation changes to account for regen filling up the battery and providing increased range.

Also has an in-car mode that is somewhat usable for cars that have an integrated web browser with access to location data.

Re: Redefining what a map can be with new information and AI

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I've started to noticed "no through traffic" signs around my town on the side streets Google Maps likes to send people down. I'm not sure if Google Maps has updated itself yet, but I find that rather interesting.

I’ve always wondered how enforceable those signs can really be. We’ve got some here that are so ambiguous I’m not even sure where they don’t want you to go.

Every once in a while a patrol car will show up parked near the signs, ticketing sign scofflaws (where I am at least). Been caught up by one of these a couple of times. So really it is in some sense a numbers game

Re: Redefining what a map can be with new information and AI

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You can't turn it off in the EU. The configuration is reset as soon as you power off the car. Considering this, assuming your claim is true, there should be vast amounts of damage to vehicles in the EU, which there isn't. In other words, the stop-start system causing significant damage is just one of the many myths popular among motorists.

I've heard only two things about start/stop systems: 1. I don't like it (Folks didn't have a clear answer. Maybe ego?). 2. Batteries are too expensive (Which I think is acceptable for such tech).

I happen to be one of the people who didn't like it until I got used to it. The reason is simple - if you'd been dependent on an unreliable car in the past, starting the engine is associated with all sorts of uncertainties. Starters in particular seem to be the part that fails the most often in pre-stop-start cars. With each start there's a chance something will go wrong. This then translates to a bit of anxiety every time you hear the engine start even in situations where the probability of failure is insignificant.

Re: Redefining what a map can be with new information and AI

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It's also the cheapest route to drive, as it's optimizing for lower fuel consumption: With insights from the U.S. Department of Energy’s National Renewable Energy Lab, we’re building a new routing model that optimizes for lower fuel consumption based on factors like road incline and traffic congestion. Provided that the few extra minutes aren't critical to one's wallet, it's a cost savings. For me those extra minutes…

> If I could, I'd usually choose the lowest stress route! Apple Maps sometimes features alternate routes that are "simpler" or with "fewer turns", which I think is a very nice feature. I'd rather not cut through small side streets just to save 1-2 minutes.

Same; with a lot of the routes Maps considers faster, it doesn't seem to take the extra effort and more acceleration / deceleration into consideration. It really should optimize for the /intended/ route, because city and road planners know what they're doing. Only exception being if the intended route is blocked, but in those cases the certainty that the alternative route goes down a lot because lots of people will be taking the side roads.

Re: Redefining what a map can be with new information and AI

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> If I could, I'd usually choose the lowest stress route! Apple Maps sometimes features alternate routes that are "simpler" or with "fewer turns", which I think is a very nice feature. I'd rather not cut through small side streets just to save 1-2 minutes.

I’ve found Waze to do the opposite, which suits me. It’ll often show me new routes when the obvious ones are slow. It seemed to be more aggressive than Google Maps. I thought that was interesting since they’re both Google. Different engine? Different default options? User intuition wrong?

Only because Google bought them a few years back, they were independent before that and probably still have autonomy when it comes to their route calculation. Google was mainly after their data and maybe some of their staff.

Re: Redefining what a map can be with new information and AI

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It's also the cheapest route to drive, as it's optimizing for lower fuel consumption: With insights from the U.S. Department of Energy’s National Renewable Energy Lab, we’re building a new routing model that optimizes for lower fuel consumption based on factors like road incline and traffic congestion. Provided that the few extra minutes aren't critical to one's wallet, it's a cost savings. For me those extra minutes…

> If I could, I'd usually choose the lowest stress route! Apple Maps sometimes features alternate routes that are "simpler" or with "fewer turns", which I think is a very nice feature. I'd rather not cut through small side streets just to save 1-2 minutes.

Sometimes I wish I could ask it for the opposite: Give me the fastest route even if it requires a lot of maneuvres such as small streets, U-turns, cutting through somebody's private driveway, illegal turns, armed robbery.

Re: Redefining what a map can be with new information and AI

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If I say to hell with the CO2 emissions and pick the fastest route always, will YouTube and Search direct me toward more climate change-oriented content? :-D

Keep in mind that your car emits CO2 mainly from burning fuel. Even if you don't care about CO2, you might want to care about burning less fuel. That stuff ain't free. (And the beauty of CO2 taxes would be that they make worrying about fuel costs equivalent (or equivalent enough) to worrying about emissions.)

We have taxes already in the form of taxes on every gallon of gas that's sold. 50 cents or more per gallon depending on the area. It's great if you're rich and successful and work from home in tech to argue for higher taxes. Not so much when you have no choice but to travel for work and you have to spend several hundred dollars a month to do so.

Re: Redefining what a map can be with new information and AI

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FTA but not the main point of this thread: we’re now able to bring Live View to some of the trickiest-to-navigate places indoors: airports, transit stations and malls. Seems to me that these are the easiest places to navigate indoors, because of the plentiful signage. Malls probably the hardest of the three, but still pretty easy IMO. I've never had any issue finding a gate or baggage claim at an airport, since there…

A lot of bigger underground transit stations are literal mazes! Even in the somewhat smaller ones in e.g. Tokyo, you can easily get lost as a tourist or first-time visitor. I'm sure this will be valuable to people especially with accessibility needs.

Even the Tokyo metro with its massive stations filled with people were pretty easy to navigate as an English speaker with no knowledge of Japanese. Signs all over the place!

Re: Redefining what a map can be with new information and AI

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Underground transit stations can be a huge pain in the ass to find the right exit for, when you want to come out going a particular direction, because you have no sense of cardinal directions while underground.

For this reason I've more or less given up on finding the right exit in big subway station, I just find the fastest way to ground level and go from there!

Yeah this is always my go to option. However in London at least each exit gets a number and city mapper will tell you the correct one to use. If you're going to a big landmark it will also be signposted in the station which helps. I would still rather just get above ground and figure it out then.

Re: Redefining what a map can be with new information and AI

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You are right, but most people want navigational aid, not map. Maps were popular because they were good navigational aid, not because they help building mental model. If better navigational aid becomes available, most people will gladly abandon map's mental model building feature.

Not if you experience the self exploration of the world around you as a fun activity. This map disables mindfulness.

This is not a new thing. Google maps were hard to use as a map (on mobile, but on desktop too due to horrible styling) for a looong time for the purpose you state.

We just snap a photo of a tourist or transit paper map and use that on holidays. Way faster and easier to use for just walking around or planning a non-direct transit route.

Even a basic information like, "will we be walking up a hill" is hard to see on gmaps. Even on terrain overlay, the shading is sloppy an imprecise, and contour lines are a mess (too sparse, and marked too sparsely), no hills are marked with height so it's hard to see what's up/down.

Same location (lol):

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