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Re: Beach High School

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Post by lelanthran »

anonymousiam wrote: post #27
Waterluvian wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Completing high school is one of those things that isn't a big deal for some people who are already on a good track, are broadly intelligent. But I'm going to guess the overwhelming majority of people who think it isn't for them actually need it quite a bit. I also think for self motivated intellectual kids, completing high school anyways really isn't much of a roadblock or time waster.

Some people have a learning style that is not compatible with public high school. This is true for both me and my kids. All of us had problems in school and were evaluated to see if we had learning disabilities. We all tested above the 98 percentile and were in AT/GATE programs. Also, we all tested out of high school via the CHSPE. For me, it was a choice that I have never regretted (except for not going to the prom)…

TBH, if a person is in the top 2% of intelligence and don't finish basic post-school academia, then they are likely prevented from doing the types of jobs that appeal the most to them: new/novel research, high-level problem-solving, etc. Those individuals doing interesting stuff are almost always certified. Software Development is an anomaly.

So, sure, you can get hired as a web developer, or even some non-web development roles, but that's kinda pointless because if you could stand doing boring shit you'd finish the academia to at least a very basic level.

TL;DR: If you couldn't stand the uniformity of school, then the roles available to you without a formal education are going to be just as boring and unrewarding to you anyway.

Re: Beach High School

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Post by lelanthran »

ramraj07 wrote: post #39
Waterluvian wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Completing high school is one of those things that isn't a big deal for some people who are already on a good track, are broadly intelligent. But I'm going to guess the overwhelming majority of people who think it isn't for them actually need it quite a bit. I also think for self motivated intellectual kids, completing high school anyways really isn't much of a roadblock or time waster.

For the people who you categorise as “thinking they don’t need it but they do”, do they really? It’s not like the majority of the folks around you remember an aorta of anything they learned in HS. The only things they remember are probably the things that happened outside of it. Not saying it’s justified that they skip HS but I feel like there’s more thought needed.

> It’s not like the majority of the folks around you remember an aorta of anything they learned in HS

The ones who did (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aorta) biology might remember it :-)

Re: Beach High School

#53

Post by toast0 »

WalterGR wrote: post #22
musicale wrote: post #12

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That sounds great. This option is something that should be publicized more widely, and perhaps even encouraged by junior colleges. I think students in California would greatly benefit from 1) knowing that there are multiple educational options and 2) having the freedom to choose among them.

Or get a GED. I've never met anyone in the US of at least high school age who wasn't aware that there exist way(s) to test out, including but not limited to the GED.

You can't get a GED until you're 18; if you want to get out of high school early, GED doesn't help.

Re: Beach High School

#54

Post by lovelyviking »

Waterluvian wrote: post #10
austinl wrote: post #3

> I'm often asked a question like, "How are you able to award a diploma on the basis of nothing other than an essay and a letter of support?" The answer to this very reasonable question has two parts. First, I'm in a legal position to offer a diploma on this basis simply because there are no mandated requirements, in California law or anywhere else, for graduation from a private high school. (California law sets many…

Completing high school is one of those things that isn't a big deal for some people who are already on a good track, are broadly intelligent. But I'm going to guess the overwhelming majority of people who think it isn't for them actually need it quite a bit. I also think for self motivated intellectual kids, completing high school anyways really isn't much of a roadblock or time waster.

>school anyways really isn't much of a roadblock or time waster.

I think it is both. It also discourages to think. I had to re-learn most of the things becasue I was told BS in the school. The current school system is outdated because it was designed too long ago.

Re: Beach High School

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Post by geocar »

toast0 wrote: post #53
WalterGR wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or get a GED. I've never met anyone in the US of at least high school age who wasn't aware that there exist way(s) to test out, including but not limited to the GED.

You can't get a GED until you're 18; if you want to get out of high school early, GED doesn't help.

Many states let you take it at 16.

Re: Beach High School

#56

Post by anonymousiam »

oorza wrote: post #30
anonymousiam wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people have a learning style that is not compatible with public high school. This is true for both me and my kids. All of us had problems in school and were evaluated to see if we had learning disabilities. We all tested above the 98 percentile and were in AT/GATE programs. Also, we all tested out of high school via the CHSPE. For me, it was a choice that I have never regretted (except for not going to the prom)…

Honestly sounds like you, and to a lesser extent your children, needed high school for non-academic reasons as much as most people need it for academic reasons. If you have problems in school and test in the top 2% of intelligence, you have problems in other areas that need to be addressed, and can be in a social classroom. Speaking from experience.

What you said may be true for many people in situations similar to mine, but I am pretty stable, well adjusted, and happy. Thus I have no "problems in other areas that need to be addressed." The main issue I had with high school was no escape from the tediousness of homework assignments for content that I had already mastered.

The CHSPE was a godsend to me. I fit right in at Jr. College and got along well with my teachers and classmates. The environment was different because my peers were (mostly) emotionally mature, and they wanted to be there. High school was like a prison in comparison.

Re: Beach High School

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Post by anonymousiam »

lelanthran wrote: post #51
anonymousiam wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people have a learning style that is not compatible with public high school. This is true for both me and my kids. All of us had problems in school and were evaluated to see if we had learning disabilities. We all tested above the 98 percentile and were in AT/GATE programs. Also, we all tested out of high school via the CHSPE. For me, it was a choice that I have never regretted (except for not going to the prom)…

TBH, if a person is in the top 2% of intelligence and don't finish basic post-school academia, then they are likely prevented from doing the types of jobs that appeal the most to them: new/novel research, high-level problem-solving, etc. Those individuals doing interesting stuff are almost always certified. Software Development is an anomaly. So, sure, you can get hired as a web developer, or even some non-web develo…

You are probably correct, but there are always exceptions.

The last half of my career was spent doing cutting-edge research and development with some of the best and brightest people I have ever known -- about half of them with at least one PHD.

Sometimes ability can make up for lack of credentials, but it is rare.

Re: Beach High School

#58

Post by telesilla »

Waterluvian wrote: post #10
austinl wrote: post #3

> I'm often asked a question like, "How are you able to award a diploma on the basis of nothing other than an essay and a letter of support?" The answer to this very reasonable question has two parts. First, I'm in a legal position to offer a diploma on this basis simply because there are no mandated requirements, in California law or anywhere else, for graduation from a private high school. (California law sets many…

Completing high school is one of those things that isn't a big deal for some people who are already on a good track, are broadly intelligent. But I'm going to guess the overwhelming majority of people who think it isn't for them actually need it quite a bit. I also think for self motivated intellectual kids, completing high school anyways really isn't much of a roadblock or time waster.

I pretty much dropped out of high school the last mandatory year by taking classes that didn't have exams and breezing through knowing I already had university entrance through a scholarship. But honestly I regret it often as I missed out on extra STEM learning that I ended up having to teach myself anyway. Going to university a year earlier wasn't an option so I feel I was let out early with no oversight, at a time when my brain was a sponge.

Re: Beach High School

#59

Post by lelanthran »

anonymousiam wrote: post #57
lelanthran wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TBH, if a person is in the top 2% of intelligence and don't finish basic post-school academia, then they are likely prevented from doing the types of jobs that appeal the most to them: new/novel research, high-level problem-solving, etc. Those individuals doing interesting stuff are almost always certified. Software Development is an anomaly. So, sure, you can get hired as a web developer, or even some non-web develo…

You are probably correct, but there are always exceptions. The last half of my career was spent doing cutting-edge research and development with some of the best and brightest people I have ever known -- about half of them with at least one PHD. Sometimes ability can make up for lack of credentials, but it is rare.

> You are probably correct, but there are always exceptions.

That is why I hedged my assertion with "likely" :-)

Outliers always exist.

Re: Beach High School

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Post by kstenerud »

oorza wrote: post #30
anonymousiam wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people have a learning style that is not compatible with public high school. This is true for both me and my kids. All of us had problems in school and were evaluated to see if we had learning disabilities. We all tested above the 98 percentile and were in AT/GATE programs. Also, we all tested out of high school via the CHSPE. For me, it was a choice that I have never regretted (except for not going to the prom)…

Honestly sounds like you, and to a lesser extent your children, needed high school for non-academic reasons as much as most people need it for academic reasons. If you have problems in school and test in the top 2% of intelligence, you have problems in other areas that need to be addressed, and can be in a social classroom. Speaking from experience.

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