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Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by AshWolfy »

EricE wrote: post #131
retsibsi wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh I know, I am pretty cynical and not exactly outraged here. But although they don't care about what's good for us, they do care about what will keep us on the platform. And if it gets harder to find good stuff and filter out the dross, that could conceivably have negative consequences for YouTube in the long run.

I'm not outraged - I'm amused. The ultimate admission the only way they can spread their messaging is through force, not honest competition of ideas. How superior. Nothing proves you have a worthy argument better than outright hiding from dissent. Again, they don't care if you stay on the platform. If they did, they wouldn't touch it. The disagreement buttons were added in the first place because they increase and ma…

what narratives are being rejected?

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by mrzimmerman »

mikece wrote: post #44

If someone (companies included) is so sensitive to being down-voted perhaps the internet isn't for them. In the case of one campaign of which I'm aware, Lucasfilm and Disney has been hammered by Star Wars fans, down-voting their videos because they have no other way to send a message to Disney that the personnel actions of Kathleen Kennedy have thrown the plans for the Mandalorian -- and it's connected shows -- into…

> they have no other way to send a message to Disney

Actually, the best and most effective way is to respond as consumers and vote with their dollars. Disney is a very profit centered and savvy company. If their profits on Star Wars and their streaming service drop off they will change their direction.

All signs point to people upset at Kathleen Kennedy as being a vocal minority. Disney is raking cash in on Star Wars and Lucasfilms in general and the population of Star Wars fans is growing. If #CancelDisneyPlus was a big deal then we'd see it in Disney's actual business moves, but it hasn't had an impact and downvoting on YouTube is probably similarly ineffective.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by phzoe »

mahogany wrote: post #244
clord wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

noisy signal is better than no signal, which in turn is better than manipulated signal. at least with this change they won't be deleting[0] dislikes anymore. [0]: https://phzoe.com/2021/01/27/white-house-youtube-dislike-man...

This is a misleading "experiment". Why were only White House channel videos looked at? If you wanted to show that there was targeted dislike manipulation, you would also need to do this analysis on other popular videos, preferably right-leaning political ones. This could simply be an algorithm that detects bot behavior which gets applied broadly, in which case they are not changing any "real" signal. It's certainly p…

50000 people would show up to a Trump rally. 15 journalists to a Biden rally. Engaged dislikers are not "bots". And the left has plenty of resources to have their own like-"bots". No, the truth is very simple. There's at least 50000 Trump supporters that will downvote Biden's white house. Even more because ... no travel required.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by mrzimmerman »

sokoloff wrote: post #4

It doesn't look like they're removing dislikes at all, but rather hiding the count of dislikes from viewers of the video (in a test).

It really feels like a lot of people didn't even click through to the _tweet_, which is concise and direct as can be given the nature of Twitter as a platform.

I'll grant that the actual count is still helpful data for users but the title is wrong and it's clear a lot of people never bothering clicking through.

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Post by ma2rten »

rz2k wrote: post #376
EricE wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your first mistake was thinking that you are the user they care about serving :p

YouTube premium never shows me adds, and downvotes have reliably gotten the AI to stop suggesting a musician or autoplaying a song that I don't like, regardless of their rough membership in a genre I otherwise want to hear. It makes me feel guilty to downvote someone or their work who's probably a good person, but it's the only reliable way to tune the AI. I get a lot of enjoyment out of music on youtube premium, but…

When you see the suggestion you can select "not interested" instead.

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Post by jlebar »

rz2k wrote: post #376
EricE wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your first mistake was thinking that you are the user they care about serving :p

YouTube premium never shows me adds, and downvotes have reliably gotten the AI to stop suggesting a musician or autoplaying a song that I don't like, regardless of their rough membership in a genre I otherwise want to hear. It makes me feel guilty to downvote someone or their work who's probably a good person, but it's the only reliable way to tune the AI. I get a lot of enjoyment out of music on youtube premium, but…

The tweet is clear that you can still downvote videos to tune the algorithm. Dislikes just won't be shown.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by ridaj »

retsibsi wrote: post #9

This seems rather user-hostile. The downvote count is useful for identifying videos that aren't what they claim to be. And how about DIY videos that give terrible advice? A big downvote ratio will get most people's attention in a way that critical comments may not.

Keep in mind that downvotes will likely continue to be taken into consideration by recommendations and search. To be honest heavily downvoted videos don't usually show up much in my YouTube experience.

I'm pretty sure comments on DIY videos are more indicative of quality than downvote count

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by ceejayoz »

IncRnd wrote: post #374
retsibsi wrote: post #9

This seems rather user-hostile. The downvote count is useful for identifying videos that aren't what they claim to be. And how about DIY videos that give terrible advice? A big downvote ratio will get most people's attention in a way that critical comments may not.

Well, this might be why. [0] That's a Biden video hosted by CNBC Television that currently has 571 upvotes and 1400 dislikes. There there is the Joe Biden channel, where almost all videos have at least 50% dislike count compared to upvotes, and a significant number have more dislikes that upvotes. [1] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f2D0GxCuBo [1] https://www.youtube.com/c/JoeBiden/videos

Vote bombing long predates the Biden presidency.
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