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Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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I don't really see YouTube as an alternative to books. Where video shines is in shorter instructional practical stuff. Sure, if I want to understand the underlying mechanism of something then I'll read-up on it but usually I don't need that kind of knowledge. I just want to watch someone do the task I'm about to do. For anything IT related I usually dislike video guides as they're so slow to get to the point. But tha…

> When you say "Use an awful lot less data" - is that still an issue most of the time? That's depressing. I don't see a particular point in pulling down a few hundred megabytes that contains radically less actual useful content than a megabyte or two of compressed text and images. HN is particularly nice on that front, as the pages are tiny and gzip down to a rounding error (this reply page is a whopping 15kb of tran…

> I don't see a particular point in pulling down a few hundred megabytes that contains radically less actual useful content than a megabyte or two of compressed text and images.

For everything from waspkeeping to bookbinding, there's nothing else that can come close to the same semantic bandwidth as video does.

I've spent far more than half an hour reading blog posts on bookbinding, and still had to work out almost all the details for myself in terms of how to actually do it - not that I haven't found useful information in those posts! One linked here not long ago clued me in to a couple of tools I'd never yet heard of, and that in particular has been incredibly useful - because of it, I'm a lot closer to producing perfect-bound books indistinguishable in quality from those made professionally. But half an hour spent watching Adventures in Bookbinding - actively watching, skimming and reviewing where necessary, not just passively staring - has served me better in terms of the sheer mechanical doing of making books than all the blogs I've read put together. IT is one thing - I'm a software engineer, I get what you're saying - but when it comes to work you do with your hands, there really is no substitute for the chance to watch over the shoulder of someone who's mastered the skill.

(I don't actually keep wasps, although I've given it serious thought - the problem is that you really need to habituate them to your presence starting with the foundress's emergence from diapause, and I don't have any way to know where polistid foundresses spend their winters. But I'd never even imagined doing it before I found videos made by people who do it, and have done it for years. There's something of worth in that, too.)

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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This seems rather user-hostile. The downvote count is useful for identifying videos that aren't what they claim to be. And how about DIY videos that give terrible advice? A big downvote ratio will get most people's attention in a way that critical comments may not.

Seems like an opportunity to create a browser extension to have crowd sourced upvote/downvotes kind of like Reddit masstagger. Wonder if there is a way to ensure that upvote/downvotes are not tampered with on the server side.

it's called the Gab plugin or "Gab.com Share Extension"

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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How else is the mainstream supposed to spin reality? Entertainment giants used to more easily create the illusion of consensus, but web platforms like YouTube completely mess with their power by showing downvotes.

Let's look at it a different way. How often has youtube recommended to you a video that you felt the need to click dislike on? How often have you visited youtube from some link provided externally and felt the need to register your dislike (and how often was that link followed with the understanding you would probably be seeing something you found disagreeable)?

What is a dislike in these instances actually communicating to youtube and to creators? Youtube already probably wouldn't have suggested that to you, and the creator probably isn't making content for you. As a useful signal, dislike brigading is very low (and whatever usefulness it serves in communicating to the creator is already served by comments and external media).

In that context, I think removing the indicator of how many people have disliked the video (but not the ability to dislike) may serve a useful purpose.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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post #149

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Are people really using votes like that? You putting your trust in deciding quality in a vote count? There's so much wrong with that.

noisy signal is better than no signal, which in turn is better than manipulated signal. at least with this change they won't be deleting[0] dislikes anymore. [0]: https://phzoe.com/2021/01/27/white-house-youtube-dislike-man...

agreed - but what this comes down to is YouTube sells ads and advertisers only pay for safe spaces. Advertisers do not want your commentary or your dislikes. YouTube is not a public forum, it is a publisher with editorial discretion.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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post #194

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A while back they significantly increased the number of ads and also now show YouTube premium popups constantly. I would imagine it's had very little if any negative impact. Google knows YouTube is the only game in town.

For now, but if they keep treating users like shit, it creates a bigger and bigger opportunity for competition to pop in. You might be thinking it's super hard for someone like you or I to create a YouTube competitor. That's probably true, but what about Amazon or Netflix? Can you imagine if Netflix had a YouTube-like platform where, if you're a subscriber, you get no ads?

That's a good point. Who really knows, but possibly Google just doesn't see that coming, or at least not any time soon. A true competitor to YouTube would really do consumers and creators a lot of good though.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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post #20

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I agree that removing public dislikes is a pretty bad idea, but it's not that important of a tool in fighting misleading videos. I mean, there was once a HUGE glut of videos with misleading thumbnails/titles, and what stopped the glut was not dislikes, but rather Youtube's use of watch time as an important metric.

Beyond the debate on whether or not downvotes are useful as a tool, I think about the higher-level implications of a change like this. One of the most powerful media platforms in the entire world can institute a change like this under everyone's watch, and none of us have any recourse. A couple of programmers in their two-week sprint can fiddle around with some Javascript and push it out to the masses, and suddenly l…

> Imagine if someone could white out a section of a book and apply the changes instantaneously to every printed copy of that book in existence.

Considering a fifteen year old YouTube video can resurface and the millions of votes can change the vote-ratio, digital media isn't necessarily the same as a permanent historical record.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Dislikes are good not just for identifying bad videos, but also good videos. You can see it in the like/dislike ratio. The higher the better, videos with ratio around >98-99% have very high probability of being good etc

Comparison of likes to views works well enough. Actually, they don't even need likes, they can understand good and bad videos just by analysing how long viewers spent viewing the video. Likes (and dislikes) are needed mostly for viewers who might want to feel helpful.

View time isn't adequate if a video isn't obviously bad until the very end though.
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