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Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by ttt0 »

happytoexplain wrote: post #34
cbozeman wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's because of Ghostbusters (2016). It just took this long for everyone else to catch up and realize that, "it can happen to you". We were all supposed to love that movie because it has four women in it! Turns out a shit movie is a shit movie no matter how many SNL alums you throw at it.

>We were all supposed to love that movie because it has four women in it I see this sarcastic quipping a couple orders of magnitude more often than I see the attitude it is skewering in regards to that movie (not that that attitude didn't exist). I think part of that is the normal overreaction to anything "SJW", but I think the bigger contribution might be because, after the incredible degree of hatred the black actr…

They wanted the overreaction, this entire controversy was nothing more but a marketing trick. Sony was deleting top comments with constructive critique from their YouTube video and leaving up only the abusive ones so it would appear as if people hated this movie only because they're sexist or whatever. And that worked, deciding to see or not to see this movie was pretty much a political statement.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by thrower123 »

tyingq wrote: post #134

It is interesting how YouTube seems to maintain the mainstream video moat. The only competitors that make any inroads are in sub-niches, like Twitch.

YouTube rode to the top by streaming petabytes of copyrighted material that would get anybody who tried to replicate their path destroyed by copyright strikes

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by bko »

causality0 wrote: post #83
retsibsi wrote: post #9

This seems rather user-hostile. The downvote count is useful for identifying videos that aren't what they claim to be. And how about DIY videos that give terrible advice? A big downvote ratio will get most people's attention in a way that critical comments may not.

Companies are only interested in user behavior that increases engagement. Everything else is on the chopping block.

I don't know if these large tech companies act on normal incentives. They're almost post-modern corporations.

I don't think anyone truly understands their decision making process. It's above even the leadership. Scott Alexander mentioned this in a post this week:

> Right now there's religious pressure on tech companies to conform. Someone on Twitter pointed out that tech censoring Parler isn't a sign of their strength, but of their weakness. Imagine that Mark Zuckerberg decided he personally really disliked BLM, and he was going to censor BLM and any people/organizations/apps that promoted it from Facebook. Do you think he would succeed? Do you think he could stay CEO of Facebook after he was found to be doing this? Mark Zuckerberg and Big Tech in general are as much slaves to the prevailing religion as the rest of us; their "power" is the power to choose between medium vs. high levels of conformity.

[0] https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/more-antifragile-diver...

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by noxer »

Answerawake wrote: post #124
retsibsi wrote: post #9

This seems rather user-hostile. The downvote count is useful for identifying videos that aren't what they claim to be. And how about DIY videos that give terrible advice? A big downvote ratio will get most people's attention in a way that critical comments may not.

Seems like an opportunity to create a browser extension to have crowd sourced upvote/downvotes kind of like Reddit masstagger. Wonder if there is a way to ensure that upvote/downvotes are not tampered with on the server side.

Ping the guy from https://web.sponsor.ajay.app/ maybe he likes or dislikes the idea ;)

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by kashprime »

There’s been something wonky about YouTube downvotes for a little while now. If you go any children’s video (I have two toddlers so am accessing them all the time), downvotes often outstrip upvotes. The reasons are unclear, maybe competitive pressure from rival channels astroturfing the votes? Take a look at this[0] video from Sesame Street, 1.3m downvotes for a fairly decent educational video, vs 1.7m upvotes? How is that even justified? I can’t blame YouTube for removing a metric which looks like is being manipulated on a massive level. [0] https://youtu.be/783EsrHchXA

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by Syonyk »

thelean12 wrote: post #87
Syonyk wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What sort of stuff, and what alternatives have you tried? If it's a vehicle, the Chilton's or Haynes (I'm sure there's a difference but I sure couldn't tell) manuals will cover just about anything you'd want to do. If it's a piece of consumer electronics, iFixit usually has good teardown and repair guides (in the "annotated images and text" style) that cover a lot, though for some brands you can actually find factory…

So I buy the Haynes book for my car, wait for it to be shipped and delivered, then finally figure out how to do what I need to do. Then I put it away for 1-5 years until I need it again, and hope I don't forget where I put it. Or you want me to build a friendship with a retired fridge repairman? I don't understand that one. With youtube I get to watch a pro do it right in front of me for free instantly. There's nothi…

You buy them at the local auto parts store and put them either in the car somewhere or on the bookshelf of other auto repair books, of course. I didn't think twice about spending 20% of the purchase cost of a vehicle on the rebuild manual for it back when I drove stuff that needed a lot more work. I drove some cheap cars.

As far as stuff like fridges... you don't need a fridge repairman, just someone who has worked on a variety of things. For a while, while I was doing laptop repair work, I didn't really need manuals for the bulk of the stuff I was taking apart because it was just a laptop. They all came apart in a handful of ways, and as long as you keep close track of where the screws came from and got them back where they went, it wasn't a big deal to get some random laptop apart.

If you can find a YouTube repair of your particular product, and the video is well done, OK, I can see value in that. My experience has been that it's usually a lot of mumbling, terrible light, and weird camera angles that I can't map to anything actually on the product I'm trying to repair, so it's generally not a good use of time vs just going and working on it. Shoving your cell phone kinda sorta in the engine bay, pointing it at some shadows, and "mmfffs the bolt... ffssssh" because it's windy out... eh? Or just a 45 minute "teardown" of a simple product that hasn't had any of the random futzing around and reading the manual out loud edited out.

Maybe we just fix different things.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by Waterluvian »

hnick wrote: post #129
Waterluvian wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure bad videos are any harder to digest than bad tweets. Maybe a bit more time consuming?

Yes, if I am trying to fix my dishwasher and I see a video with a high dislike ratio I will move on because at best it's probably a time waster and at worst dangerous. My options now would be to spend a minute or two watching it or reading the comments (engagement!), which may not exist on some niche videos you run across for things like this. This adds up when browsing. Don't forget creators can disable comments too…

Just pick the video with a lot of upvotes that has a good title card and is early on in the search results.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by clord »

tayo42 wrote: post #149
retsibsi wrote: post #9

This seems rather user-hostile. The downvote count is useful for identifying videos that aren't what they claim to be. And how about DIY videos that give terrible advice? A big downvote ratio will get most people's attention in a way that critical comments may not.

Are people really using votes like that? You putting your trust in deciding quality in a vote count? There's so much wrong with that.

noisy signal is better than no signal, which in turn is better than manipulated signal. at least with this change they won't be deleting[0] dislikes anymore.

[0]: https://phzoe.com/2021/01/27/white-house-youtube-dislike-man...

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by DrSiemer »

paulcole wrote: post #148
EricE wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your first mistake was thinking that you are the user they care about serving :p

Can you clarify this for me? I have always assumed that since I’m the one watching the video I’m their customer/user?

You are not paying, right? So you are the product. You are targeted with ads tailored to your viewing pattern; your data is what creates value.

Re: Testing a few new designs that don't show the public dislike count

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Post by dilap »

barbacoa wrote: post #155

Has anyone else been slowly watching YouTube turn into cable TV? When I search "Hong Kong protests" I just get a bunch of videos from CNN and Fox News, not that long ago a search like that would turn up first hand videos of people who were there. Now they are copying streaming services in making it harder to tell what is garbage and what is worth watching.

Yeah, slowly but surely YouTube is destroying itself. Which is very sad, because it's been an amazing resource. I'd love to see ByteDance do a YouTube competitor. (Or, dream of all dreams, see something distributed really take off.)
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