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Post by merpnderp »

TheRealSteel wrote: post #381
merpnderp wrote: post #276

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Your implication is that Bezos was inconsequential to the creation of all that brand new wealth. Surely you don't actually believe that and this is just your ideological rhetoric to further your politicized beliefs?

False dichotomy - they never said he was inconsequential, just that his workers have done the majority of the work - which is objectively true. If Bezos didn't need those workers - if he genuinely created every cent of value in his empire on his own, picked and boxed and delivered every book himself - why did he ever hire anybody?

But it isn't a false dichotomy. The claim I was responding to stated that the workers had created nearly all of the 200 billion in wealth, which would make Bezos's efforts hardly consequential.

And with your line of reasoning I should be mad when my doctor spends 30 seconds checking me and makes a diagnosis and then receives the lions share of the pay. He couldn't do his job with his nurses, office workers, and other employees. But I'm not mad, because he's doing something they can't.

Just like Bezos did something no one else could do at the time.

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Post by [deleted] »

ActorNightly wrote: post #300
scubbo wrote: post #175

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> Unionization is messing with the free market, which never leads to good outcomes historically There are definitely some true, fair, and pertinent points in your comment (though, to be clear, they're not strong enough to actually make a compelling point, and I still disagree with your conclusion and position), but this is just nonsense. Every single social welfare program is "messing with the free market", and while…

>Every single social welfare program is "messing with the free market" I mean, saying that a human life is worth something so you can't just treat people as expendable labor is "messing with the free market" technically, but thats a very low boundary. Social welfare addresses the lower tiers of income, specifically to aid people in basic needs of housing, food, healthcare and education. Those people aren't putting an…

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Post by seppin »

ActorNightly wrote: post #320
marricks wrote: post #173

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Amazon warehouses have a far, far, higher turn over rate than other warehouses, probably because the conditions are so cruel. It’s really sad how many people get super invested in defending mega corporations. I hope it’s just employees trying to move up but you never know. https://labor411.org/411-blog/warehouse-worker-turnover-rate...

>Amazon warehouses have a far, far, higher turn over rate than other warehouses True >probably because the conditions are so cruel. Ugh, thats the crap I am talking about in the last sentence of my original post. There is nothing wrong with high turnover at a minimum wage manual labor job. Amazon hires seasonal workers that happily work overtime for $30 and then quit. Nobody is making a career out of being a warehous…

> Nobody is making a career out of being a warehouse associate.

Right, and people argue that "no one is driving for Uber full time it's a side hustle" except a lot of people do. Not by choice, but by necessity.

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Post by [deleted] »

ActorNightly wrote: post #164
cecida wrote: post #43

Imagine being worth 185 billion dollars and still obsessing about your workers advocating for better pay and conditions? What a miserable existence that must be. Bezos has always struck me as a man who cares about nothing else only his own personal wealth and success. There is no joy in his life.

Imagine building a company from the ground up that is succesfull solely because it produces a lot of value to people, and yet random people on the internet still think all you care about is hoarding money and think they can make better decisions than you. Here is the summary of the issue. Firstly, pre-pandemic, unemployment was at an alltime low (and its trending that way to as places are reopening), very close to fr…

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Post by kleer001 »

freebuju wrote: post #255
kleer001 wrote: post #23

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I agree with your main point. > People need to be trained But, hmmm, I don't think a call for education is a solution. That's basically whack-a-mole. Stupid people are born every minute, there's no stopping stupid. Better to put bumpers on them and keep the rest of us safe.

You'll be surprised how far misinformation goes. Even among the non-stupid (smart?) people. Some form of Internet literacy needs to be done. We'll be fighting some of it very soon with deepfakes made by AI, and we are still not prepared for that.

> You'll be surprised how far misinformation goes.

Not a whit.

It's been a hobby horse of mine for the last two decades. From Mk Ultra to Potempkin Villages to Contemporary Psyops, propaganda has provided nearly limitless dark entertainment for me. In fact I've sculpted my own aphorism:

"Intelligence has the ability to construct reasonable sounding reasons for anything." It might have been pithier in an earlier iteration, but that's the gist.

In the end education is expensive and there's no end run around that. In the end there's no algorithm for the truth and there's no end run around that either.

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Post by clairity »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #409
clairity wrote: post #197

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everyone supports things they don’t necessarily believe is ‘truth’. it’s why political discussions are often tiresome and distracting. they posit that one side believes a falsehood (like the election was stolen, masks will save the world, or qanon anything) and then argues about that incessantly, rather than understanding the underlying emotions and motivations and then having conversations based on those understandi…

My sense is that there are a lot of people who literally believe the election was stolen. I don’t know how we could tell if people believe what they are saying.

then you may want to talk to those people more intimately rather than simply accepting projected puffery. part of the deception is baiting you into an unwinnable (because you’re beyond reason at that point) non-sequitur rather than exposing their soft underbelly of emotional vulnerability. the vast majority of people are neither evil geniuses nor naive morons, but people trying to get by and getting a fair shake at that.

also, those false projections are 99.9% of the content on twitter, facebook, etc.

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Post by danaris »

asveikau wrote: post #376
Judgmentality wrote: post #143

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Sorry, but I strongly disagree with you. Allow me to respond with my own anecdote. I remember when I was dating a doctor being appalled by her complete inability to think through a problem, and I later learned medical school is basically mass memorization. I am obviously cherry picking medicine here, but if doctors aren't even taught that by the time they're practicing in the United States I think it's fair to say cr…

You base this on one doctor though. I have enough life experience to know that some doctors are better at their jobs than others. Maybe that's on the individual. Maybe some medical schools are better than others. I don't know what the explanation is. But I don't think you can extrapolate to "US doctors" in the plural.

I have seen enough anecdotes like this about medical school to feel comfortable saying that, at the very least, there is no nationwide systematic effort to teach critical thinking within them or the primary and secondary educational institutions that precede them.

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Post by nmfisher »

asveikau wrote: post #376
Judgmentality wrote: post #143

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Sorry, but I strongly disagree with you. Allow me to respond with my own anecdote. I remember when I was dating a doctor being appalled by her complete inability to think through a problem, and I later learned medical school is basically mass memorization. I am obviously cherry picking medicine here, but if doctors aren't even taught that by the time they're practicing in the United States I think it's fair to say cr…

You base this on one doctor though. I have enough life experience to know that some doctors are better at their jobs than others. Maybe that's on the individual. Maybe some medical schools are better than others. I don't know what the explanation is. But I don't think you can extrapolate to "US doctors" in the plural.

I don’t know, this exactly mirrors my experience, and I constantly hear the same from many other people.

Sure, it’s not every doctor. But throw a dart at a map and you’re bound to hit one who’s like this more often than not.

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Post by jethro_tell »

brown9-2 wrote: post #132
jethro_tell wrote: post #34

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It is clear. Some of those were created with gmail addresses and done with the web client instead of sprinklr like the amazon fake accounts. Those all use amazon email accounts and sprinklr. Which obviously a real box packer isn't going to have a sprinklr acct so you know at the very best someone is getting a 15 minute break while a pr rep looks over their shoulder and more likely they all work at the same desk in a…

how do you know what email someone signed up for Twitter with?

You start the login process with the account that you want to know about, and then click, forgot password and start a password reset. Then twitter gives you a list with a radio button for the reset link.

Send txt to: 555 ** *8 Email : na*****@g**.**

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Post by seneca »

kleer001 wrote: post #415
freebuju wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'll be surprised how far misinformation goes. Even among the non-stupid (smart?) people. Some form of Internet literacy needs to be done. We'll be fighting some of it very soon with deepfakes made by AI, and we are still not prepared for that.

> You'll be surprised how far misinformation goes. Not a whit. It's been a hobby horse of mine for the last two decades. From Mk Ultra to Potempkin Villages to Contemporary Psyops, propaganda has provided nearly limitless dark entertainment for me. In fact I've sculpted my own aphorism: "Intelligence has the ability to construct reasonable sounding reasons for anything." It might have been pithier in an earlier itera…

I again find myself in agreement with you. As someone who has thought about this for some time, what's your take on what we actually ought to do about it? Is it simply intractable? Is it that from Odysseus to Bernays, the cunning will always fool the fool?
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