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The political case for a blanket cryptocurrency ban

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Re: The political case for a blanket cryptocurrency ban

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> The darker perspective is that cryptocurrency may be taking a demographic who would otherwise have had gambling problems and legitimates their addiction by wrapping it up in a veneer of technical legitimacy.

Granted it's a small sample set, but this rings _very_ true with respect to many people I "know" (acquaintances I'm connected to on various social media platforms) who've jumped onto the "crypto" bandwagon in recent times.

Re: The political case for a blanket cryptocurrency ban

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I came here to say this exact same thing. There is seriously interesting and useful real work being done under the umbrella term "decentralized finance" or DeFi. It is hard to cut through the noise of get rich quick schemes, but at the core, the DeFi stuff, built on top of green cryptocurrency (proof of stake), along with quickly improving zero-knowledge proof tech, is actually useful and groundbreaking. Bitcoin and…

I'm not sure. Do these DeFi schemes involve currencies which cannot be cancelled or created in large amounts by political decision (e.g. democratic)? If the answer is "yes", then these may be just another form of pyramid scheme, perhaps less taxing on the environment.

The answer is not yes, and there is clear evidence that cryptocurrencies are cancelled and created democratically.

https://vitalik.ca/general/2021/03/23/legitimacy.html (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26560626) talks about the Steem/Hive split, and explains how the community democratically overrode the network owner's undemocratic decisions.

Re: The political case for a blanket cryptocurrency ban

#154
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I think the major point is that Bitcoin seems to benefit disproportionately from inflation. It may be the case that it's the single best hedge against inflation. But yes, there are lot's of things that protect against inflation.

> Bitcoin seems to benefit disproportionately from inflation Does it? On what basis would one know that? Why should it benefit from inflation more than gold, say?

The argument is that Bitcoin not only has a provable total fixed supply & rate of future supply and that it has more utility than gold because it's easier to transfer and harder to fake.

Re: The political case for a blanket cryptocurrency ban

#155
>> "Bitcoin is the textbook speculative mania for our time"

This misses the point of bitcoin entirely. People need to understand Bitcoin solves a problem: a very big problem. This problem was caused by the gov and fed defaulting on it's obligation to maintain a stable currency. As a result, cash can no longer be used as a store of value. And by artificially suppressing interest rates, the fed/gov has eliminated yet another class of investement: fixed income. So with two major asset classes eliminated: cash and fixed income, it doesn't leave much else.

The only asset classes we have remaining are equities, real estate and commodities. Real estate, there's no easy way to invest in it in a scalable way. So, what are you going to do put ALL your money in Equities? with no diversification. People desperately need a store of value, they can't just work until their 120 year old.

Bitcoin solves this problem: it's a store of value. For a lot of people, bitcoin is NOT speculation, it's a long term buy and hold asset that you hold for a long time. And the tax rules encourage such buy and hold behavior. those that are selling the moment it goes up, are going to pay dearly in capital gains taxes 30, 40, 50%+ in some states.

Re: The political case for a blanket cryptocurrency ban

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There are many problems with Proof of Stake (inflation, centralization, etc). Cardano mainnet doesn't even exist yet. Smoke and mirrors.

Cardano mainnet doesn't exist? What?... The Mainnet has 2,289 active stake pool operators, which comes out to >99% decentralized, with 71.09% of the total ADA in circulation being actively staked on those pools ($26.83b/$37.7b). It has an incredibly active and healthy mainnet...

With no smart contracts or actual usable functionality. Its just a chain with staking and nothing useful

Re: The political case for a blanket cryptocurrency ban

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There's a lot of talk about building a fair system to replace the current we have, and there's a lot of good arguments to why the current system is corrupt and serves an elite. That said, all the talk about inequality and how crypto currency solves this is real rich coming from people that was already extremely privileged and would benefit almost immeasurably from it.

Re: The political case for a blanket cryptocurrency ban

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This article seems to intentionally ignore the core reason for cryptocurrencies; escaping inflation and control. The article then proposes to use the law to bring those people back within the control of fiat and government oversight. I no longer think the environmental argument is really plausible here. Clearly crypto mining is emitting using a lot of power and some of that is CO2. But the competition is fiat; backed…

This is such an underappreciated point.

U.S. dollars are backed by violence. Bitcoin is backed by math.

I don't know what you want backing your money in the world you hope to leave for future generations, but I know what I want backing mine.

Re: The political case for a blanket cryptocurrency ban

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The main premise of the article is that cryptocurrencies are "speculation for speculation’s sake," i.e. gambling, and that's bad. Also, the article claims that they contribute to inequality. The green stuff is basically a side note. I don't think it's a terribly strong case but I suppose it depends on whether you agree that crypto is gambling and if you think gambling should banned. Anyway, I think lots of people stu…

Gambling, e.g. casino or sports betting is different because for some it's a fun pastime and participants are (more or less) aware of what it's about. "Crypto" - not the underlying tech which is potentially interesting and may have merit in some incarnation - but buying or trading "assets" grounded in the tech, is essentially a quasi-legal pump and dump scheme right now. There is a rich history of securities law that…

How is cryptocurrency different than all the other non-real digital goods that have become valuable over the years?

Games like second life and Eve did the digital currency thing way before bitcoin. How is a pretend coin you can trade for money different than a pretend game currency you can trade for money?

Because one is traded on the stock market and increasingly accepted in real world transactions?

There was and likely still is, people making livings off earning digital video game currency, selling digital assets and converting it to real money. Not to mention every person that made actual money off mmorpg marketplaces.

Seems like cryptocurrencies just remove the game part and cut right to the economic part. With games, it's the people creating the currency through their actions and time, farming gold, working in Eve, etc. With cryptocurrency it's GPUs and stuff...though I guess technically, your GPU's doing the work for the game currency too.

The concept doesn't seem to have changed, buy make-believe thing that exists only on a computer everybody agrees is worth money and the value of said make believe thing changes based on how many people have or want the make-believe thing.

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