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Hit songwriters ask pop stars to stop taking credit for songs they didn't write

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Re: Hit songwriters ask pop stars to stop taking credit for songs they didn't write

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Post by zikzak »

hashkb wrote: post #46
HiroshiSan wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a huge fan of blackpink I highly recommend you check out the documentary they have on Netflix. It became obvious after watching it that the genius behind blackpink is Teddy Park, who was also behind another massively successful girl group 2NE1. I've thought about it slightly and without Teddy Park there is no blackpink, but without the individual members each bringing their own flavour to the group, there is no bl…

With these types of "manufactured" performance groups I don't think there's any question that they are not composers. The Lady Gaga case (she promotes herself as a composer / guitarist / pianist) is much more of an intentional mislead, in my opinion.

I have no dog in this fight and am not even really a fan but always thought Gaga was a legit artist. Do have any proof she's not?

Re: Hit songwriters ask pop stars to stop taking credit for songs they didn't write

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Post by triceratops »

mmatoscom wrote: post #19

LMAO why dont they sing themselves? Sorry as it seems the lyrics are nothing without the artist performing it, just letters in your notes.

Why don't actors just make a movie without a script? They're just words on paper.

Why doesn't an orchestra just start jamming, with no score or sheet music? It's just notes on paper.

Why don't construction workers show up on a jobsite and start hammering without waiting for plans? It's just lines on paper.

Why don't...you get the idea.

Re: Hit songwriters ask pop stars to stop taking credit for songs they didn't write

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Post by [deleted] »

blfr wrote: post #50

Are pop songs inherently valuable? Artistically they're not usually interesting but in the market sense, would people listen to them without the massive marketing push? I strongly support distribution of profits in the relation to the value being created. While it is absolutely possible, even commonplace, for organizations to exploit their workers and other smaller orgs, I also suspect that value in "hit" songs is cr…

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Re: Hit songwriters ask pop stars to stop taking credit for songs they didn't write

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Post by mewse-hn »

hashkb wrote: post #46
HiroshiSan wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a huge fan of blackpink I highly recommend you check out the documentary they have on Netflix. It became obvious after watching it that the genius behind blackpink is Teddy Park, who was also behind another massively successful girl group 2NE1. I've thought about it slightly and without Teddy Park there is no blackpink, but without the individual members each bringing their own flavour to the group, there is no bl…

With these types of "manufactured" performance groups I don't think there's any question that they are not composers. The Lady Gaga case (she promotes herself as a composer / guitarist / pianist) is much more of an intentional mislead, in my opinion.

Lady Gaga has chops and is a real artist. This is a video of her performing an original composition in college:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM51qOpwcIM

Re: Hit songwriters ask pop stars to stop taking credit for songs they didn't write

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Post by andrewzah »

msrenee wrote: post #59

Maybe I'm just pissy from being subjected to 60 hours a week of top 40 radio for the last month at work, but I don't think any of them deserves a dime. In fact, I think they owe me something for pain and suffering. I swear I'm not a music snob. 6 months ago when I heard this batch of songs the first time, I thought some of them were pretty catchy. Although I don't know that anyone will argue this was a great year for…

- This is an issue due to large corporations owning many radio stations across the US.

- This is an issue due to music labels being unable or unwilling to take risks.

- Regardless if you like the music or not, people need to be fairly paid for their work. Musicians/Labels should not be strong-arming/bullying songwriters into taking credit for their work (and thus receiving royalties for work they did not do).

2020 was a great year for music, but not if you only listen to the radio...

Re: Hit songwriters ask pop stars to stop taking credit for songs they didn't write

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Post by aantix »

S_A_P wrote: post #54

It seems as though this is not a well understood issue from reading the comments here. This isn’t artists doing interviews and saying “I wrote this”. The problem is that the artists are bullying their way into getting points for the song writing credits (publishing royalties) when they had little(change a word in the lyrics) or no input into the song. I fully support artists getting as much of the live performance/me…

This parallels my entire experience with comp-sci and "group" projects.

Re: Hit songwriters ask pop stars to stop taking credit for songs they didn't write

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Post by analog31 »

blfr wrote: post #50

Are pop songs inherently valuable? Artistically they're not usually interesting but in the market sense, would people listen to them without the massive marketing push? I strongly support distribution of profits in the relation to the value being created. While it is absolutely possible, even commonplace, for organizations to exploit their workers and other smaller orgs, I also suspect that value in "hit" songs is cr…

I'm not an IP lawyer, but I have a handful of patents. As a patent lawyer explained to me, the list of inventors on a patent should be strictly based on whether somebody actually invented something or not. It's not like an academic paper, where everybody on the team gets to be an "author."

In my view the same thing should apply to songwriting. The current standard is, you wrote a song if you wrote the melody or the words. Sometimes those are two different people.

If you added value in other ways, add your name to some other contract specifying distribution of proceeds.

The songwriting is extremely valuable, otherwise just write your own damn songs.

As an aside, "inherent value" is a mushy concept that seems to defy any meaningful description.

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