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Libreboot – Defend Richard Stallman

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Re: Libreboot – Defend Richard Stallman

#71

RMS is a grown-up, he talked his way into this mess, he can talk his way out. Might involve compromise though, so good luck with that. But seriously, it's on him to fix this. If he doesn't believe he needs to, then well, he can go sit with Brendan Eich in the "intelligent, but unwise" corner.

Comparing Stallman to Eich is a bit weird, isn't it? Stallman hasn't actually done anything harmful; he's just terrible socially.

Re: Libreboot – Defend Richard Stallman

#72
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"Clearly, they/them is commonly understood and will cause the least amount of misunderstanding." While I support this campaign and I support RMS right to free speech, I find it ridiculous that everyone is now expected to use they/them pronouns for non-binaries etc. Am I the only one or has the world gone absolutely batshit insane, driven by purple haired Twitter trans-extremists?

>I find it ridiculous that everyone is now expected to use they/them pronouns for non-binaries etc.

Why? Choosing not to use someone's prefered pronouns is just hurtful and disrespectful. You might choose to ignore the scientific evidence around transidentity being a thing, but willingly antagonizing people on this subject is another story.

Re: Libreboot – Defend Richard Stallman

#73

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Where are you maintaining this score, out of curiosity?

It's in the linked letters of support FTFA. There is less support for firing RMS than there is for keeping him, even though the people signing the "keep" are face negative consequences or supporting the FSF's goals.

You mean hundreds of anonymous GitHub accounts or absolutely nobodies are risking something, as opposed to people who have proven track record of actually doing real work in the world of free software? Just wow.

Re: Libreboot – Defend Richard Stallman

#74
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I don't think contacting rms is as straight forward as you would think.

It couldn't be easier. His email is rms@gnu.org and afaik he is very good for replying.

Can confirm. He even replied to me when, as a noob kid, asked him whether I should choose vi or emacs as my editor.

Re: Libreboot – Defend Richard Stallman

#75

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> So, you're either forced to defend Richard Stallman and accept what's going on over there, or __YOU ARE THE ENEMY OF ALL OPEN SOURCE__. Where did they say that, or anything that implies that?

They plainly state their irrational opinion that the resignation was the result of a smear campaign by anti-open-source entities and even list them. That's just hysterical garbage. RMS did this to himself by being an abrasive asshole and failing to curb his autistic tendencies. As a major thought leader, he ought to know better.

> RMS did this to himself by being an abrasive asshole

This seems the actual main issue that got the anti-RMS petition going. (Even the article most in favour of him that I saw, called him by far the most disagreeable person they'd ever met!)

I don't seem to remember this was mentioned in the anti-RMS petition though. Rather, it consisted of a string of claims, which, when you looked into them, were untrue. Flinging mud instead of dealing with the actual problem. That seems unfortunate. As if because they liked the end, the means didn't matter–as if behaving ethically doesn't matter. Well, maybe the people who signed didn't look into those claims, just believed them in good faith. That faith seems unwarranted.

Re: Libreboot – Defend Richard Stallman

#77
post #14

"Clearly, they/them is commonly understood and will cause the least amount of misunderstanding." While I support this campaign and I support RMS right to free speech, I find it ridiculous that everyone is now expected to use they/them pronouns for non-binaries etc. Am I the only one or has the world gone absolutely batshit insane, driven by purple haired Twitter trans-extremists?

How else do you refer to non-binary people?

He or she, depending what the person looks like. I'm not going to use they/them, the same way I'm not going to force someone else to refer to me as "my lord".

Re: Libreboot – Defend Richard Stallman

#78
post #14

"Clearly, they/them is commonly understood and will cause the least amount of misunderstanding." While I support this campaign and I support RMS right to free speech, I find it ridiculous that everyone is now expected to use they/them pronouns for non-binaries etc. Am I the only one or has the world gone absolutely batshit insane, driven by purple haired Twitter trans-extremists?

> Am I the only one or has the world gone absolutely batshit insane, driven by purple haired Twitter trans-extremists?

One of the things I always thought really great about the Net is that I can be whoever I like. So I think it’s cool that people can redefine and choose whatever pronouns, titles, and names they think are most applicable to them.

I met a guy a con who went by “Hugme” and used that name everywhere. I also went to school with someone who went by the name “Taerthrum.” Neat.

Identity is personal and can be whatever I like as it doesn’t harm you. Taking this to an extreme, I expect that as we move closer to digital consciousnesses people will identity as more and more unique characteristics that frequently won’t line up with how they were born.

Re: Libreboot – Defend Richard Stallman

#79
post #14

"Clearly, they/them is commonly understood and will cause the least amount of misunderstanding." While I support this campaign and I support RMS right to free speech, I find it ridiculous that everyone is now expected to use they/them pronouns for non-binaries etc. Am I the only one or has the world gone absolutely batshit insane, driven by purple haired Twitter trans-extremists?

If you're introduced to one William Gates and he says "call me Bill", would you respect that?

I get that using "they/them" requires a bit more mental gymnastics, at least in languages with gendered pronouns. However it is still a grammatically correct use of the language, just one we're not used to.

I approach this from a perspective of compassion. If someone has made the (potentially difficult) decision to live with a non-gendered identity, knowing the snark and ostracism they are likely to face for doing so, they the least I can do is respect that decision by making this one trivial grammatical adjustment.

Re: Libreboot – Defend Richard Stallman

#80

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Yup! You cannot have the FSF without free speech. Creating petitions to excommunicate RMS & other supporters just does not jive with the organisation's founding principles. I'm not going to defend Stallman's comments - they are extremely dubious at best - but I do not agree with trying to bully him out of the movement he helped build. If he really is problematic, you can just 'fork' off and create your own FSF equiva…

Free speech never implied freedom from consequences though - this isn't the government suppressing RMS, it's people reacting to his free speech and deciding that they don't like it. That's how it works.

This argument is full of equivocation. The consequences of speech are exactly what is being debated. An exchange of ideas, then yes. Censorship by the mob (instead of government), then no.
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