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Re: Copyright infringement by German contact tracing app

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Post by ambentzen »

Mordisquitos wrote: post #72
hellotomyrars wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might be getting closer but someone who is just barely making ends meet could be ruined by that, where someone with obscene wealth can lose even 10% and still buy a yacht minutes later.

One could always establish a minimum-living income that was immune to fines based on ratio of income, or consider specific expenditures to be protected from the calculation (e.g. rent or cost of travel to work). However, I can see how that could eventually lead to the truism becoming "If the penalty for a crime is an income-ratio fine, then that law only exists for the middle class, and not for the lower or upper cla…

Here in Denmark fines for drunk driving, driving while influenced by drugs, and driving while your license is suspended is income dependent. The exact fine is also dependent on your blood toxicity levels. And if you are under 18 or have a low income you can get half off the fine.

Re: Copyright infringement by German contact tracing app

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Post by rebuilder »

alpaca128 wrote: post #56
hellotomyrars wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might be getting closer but someone who is just barely making ends meet could be ruined by that, where someone with obscene wealth can lose even 10% and still buy a yacht minutes later.

In my homecountry someone gets hundreds of speeding tickets per year, always on the same road. Doesn't care. With a properly scaling fine they'll stop doing that quickly or lose out on more than just a little yacht. I'd say it's a pretty decent step, especially when combined with confiscation of the vehicle if it's a repeat offender or a severe case. As you said it may not be perfect...but I'd rather see that than so…

Hows this: get three speeding tickets, get your license suspended.

Re: Copyright infringement by German contact tracing app

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Post by dmingod666 »

hellotomyrars wrote: post #42
surfsvammel wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not of the fine is set to be a ratio or proportion of your wealth or income.

You might be getting closer but someone who is just barely making ends meet could be ruined by that, where someone with obscene wealth can lose even 10% and still buy a yacht minutes later.

Devils advocate: Someone with a yatch can have someone 'who barely makes ends meet' to do the dirty work, pay the now lowered fine. Payoff the poor guy and be done with it.

Re: Copyright infringement by German contact tracing app

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Post by spacemanmatt »

read_if_gay_ wrote: post #36
heckerhut wrote: post #13

Oh the irony. The LUCA app has been co-initiated and financed by Smudo [0], a famous German rapper. He was a supporter of Metallica suing Napster back in 2000 for copyright violation [1]. [0] https://www.chip.de/news/Kontaktverfolgung-mit-Luca-App-von-... [1] https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Smudo-vs-Napster-Da-...

It has been 21 years . Can we let the past go?

The same laws are still being abused by the recording industry, so maybe...no?

Re: Copyright infringement by German contact tracing app

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Post by nevi-me »

ramboldio wrote: post #85

For context: - We are talking about a file of 200 lines of code. - It's replaceable functionality that isn't exactly rocket science. - The issue was fixed within a few hours. [Edit: replaced "error" with "issue" to avoid implicit judgement and establish a common baseline]

Is taking someone's code, be it small, and deliberately removing the attribution; an error?

Re: Copyright infringement by German contact tracing app

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Post by avh02 »

durnygbur wrote: post #79
dgellow wrote: post #35

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Sure, but the Rundfunkbeitrag has no need for your current location, they just need to know which apartment you're registered at.

If they decide that you don't pay the license fee (doesn't matter if you really do), your live location will be beyond useful. They absolutely have the budget to implement the most invasive and abusive debt collection solution.

if they wanted to do that they'd probably have found another solution already through google's data at the very least. Probably apple/FB as well. Plus cell phone service providers.

I don't know why this new thing is your choice of how they'd get the data other than it being probably run as effectively as parler (edit: no data - gut feeling).

Re: Copyright infringement by German contact tracing app

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Post by notagoodidea »

rob74 wrote: post #90
dgellow wrote: post #19

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> (you will never see a bribe in everyday life) That's not true, you can see lot of small bribes in normal day-to-day transactions. Almost every single technician I met (for internet installation, electricity, washing machine installation, etc. Even insurance brokers) offered me to pay them cash directly to get some benefits or falsify some recorded data.

Er... do you mean offering to work "off the record" without paying taxes for it ("Schwarzarbeit")? That't tax evasion, not corruption, but yeah, that's pretty common, even in Germany.

That's interesting that in German, Dutch and French we will talk about "black work" (schwarzarbeit (DE), travail au noir (FR), zwart werk (NL)) meaning undeclared/unreported work.

I see multiple probable origins on the net : - Coming for the german "schwarzarbeit" during end of 1st, in-between or during the occupation during 2nd WW and translated in French/Dutch from there. - Patron making employees works during the evening/night during the Middle albeit work was restricted only during day time.

I did not really find authoritative sources for the origin of the expression so take that whole bag of salt.

Re: Copyright infringement by German contact tracing app

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Post by galangalalgol »

iso1631 wrote: post #75
dgellow wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (you will never see a bribe in everyday life) That's not true, you can see lot of small bribes in normal day-to-day transactions. Almost every single technician I met (for internet installation, electricity, washing machine installation, etc. Even insurance brokers) offered me to pay them cash directly to get some benefits or falsify some recorded data.

Most common bribes I see is when I go to some countries and I am expected to pay an undisclosed fee to get better service. My anti-bribery training mentioned how these are often quite normal, and dressed up in terms like "facilitation fee", or "tip", but that if I were to pay such a fee I'd be breaking UK law.

Interesting! So you can't tip restaurant servers legally? Most point of sale machines for restaurants ask you to select a tip from a list of several standard optiins that usually puts 20% in the middle to make it seem normal, and like 15% is reserved as a mild complaint. So its not exactly undiaclosed, you can guess pretty well what it will be.

Re: Copyright infringement by German contact tracing app

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Post by reader_mode »

nevi-me wrote: post #95
ramboldio wrote: post #85

For context: - We are talking about a file of 200 lines of code. - It's replaceable functionality that isn't exactly rocket science. - The issue was fixed within a few hours. [Edit: replaced "error" with "issue" to avoid implicit judgement and establish a common baseline]

Is taking someone's code, be it small, and deliberately removing the attribution; an error?

Likely. Why is everyone acting like this is some high conspiracy or even blaming the entire project - this was probably some lazy dev that didn't want to deal with the hassle of including the licence and just copy pasted the class. I used to do this when I was learning to code, I often reimplemented stuff already available for learning and would just copy paste large chunks. I didn't publish any work back then and I realised it was a bad habit because I didn't know what the code does - but I get where it comes from.

It was fixed and nobody was harmed.

The outrage in GH issues is ridiculous.

Re: Copyright infringement by German contact tracing app

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Post by SiempreViernes »

heckerhut wrote: post #13

Oh the irony. The LUCA app has been co-initiated and financed by Smudo [0], a famous German rapper. He was a supporter of Metallica suing Napster back in 2000 for copyright violation [1]. [0] https://www.chip.de/news/Kontaktverfolgung-mit-Luca-App-von-... [1] https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Smudo-vs-Napster-Da-...

> a famous German rapper

I can understand in the abstract that of course you could rap in German, but it's quite another to encounter evidence of this in the wild so to speak.

Having investigated further, I must say it's probably unfair against Gemany to not include the adjective old in the above statement, as Smudo (or at least the group he's in) is of early 90's vintage.

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