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Re: Nearly half of Americans changed sports viewing habits because of social justice

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Post by blacktriangle » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 11:54 AM UTC

mindslight wrote: post #48

axguscbklp wrote: post #41

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I think that unaccountable police are a big problem, but I feel that I cannot support the BLM narrative even though that narrative might end up making police more accountable. For one thing, it disgusts me when I see this narrative pushed dogmatically even though it is far from clear that it accurately describes reality - and especially, it disgusts me when I see people try to make it taboo to question the narrative.…

Every political movement goes sideways when it gains mass popularity. I don't know if this is because the successful narratives tend to enrich some entrenched interest, psychopaths rise to the top, negative-sum games have popular appeal, the average person isn't smart enough to fit nuanced opinions in their head, humans are herd animals, or some mix of all of these. But whatever it is, whenever any grassroots movemen…

BLM is a self-proclaimed Marxist organization among whose stated goals is "the destruction of the nuclear family." I find it surprising that you as a libertarian would wish them well.

Re: Nearly half of Americans changed sports viewing habits because of social justice

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Post by jfengel » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 3:45 PM UTC

jariel wrote: post #36

jfengel wrote: post #32

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Only in pop culture. And on the Twitter feed of the last President.

Yes - Trump is an artifact of populism, and it's a tragedy that that kind of rhetoric had any kind of legitimization. But even during Trump's presidency, African Americans had their lowest unemployment rate in history. I don't credit him with much of that directly, rather, but he did preside over an area of 'open business growth' for which that was the result. Which is my point. Even despite the toxic rhetoric of a p…

Yes, things on the ground definitely improve. After eight minutes, for example, they'll stop cutting off your windpipe.

But that's OK, because he might have had fentanyl in his system, and that means it was definitely not kneeling on his neck for eight minutes that killed him. I'm quite certain of that because HN tells me that, over and over.

I'm using sarcasm because it's disingenuous to talk about "a public official". He was the President of the United States, and 75 million people voted for him. They approved that rhetoric. I think it's likely that many of them preferred that rhetoric, and why he finally won the Presidency after two losses by vastly more competent politicians. This is not just one person.

Your dismissal of the seriousness of this is, in my opinion, one of the reasons it's so serious. African Americans are being mocked on one side, and on the other side they feel that their concerns about literally being murdered are being met with "Well, you have a low unemployment rate".

Re: Nearly half of Americans changed sports viewing habits because of social justice

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Post by gamblor956 » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 4:07 PM UTC

geoduck14 wrote: post #44

gamblor956 wrote: post #34

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The only thing I hate is how many athletes who have such short 3 year windows have half their income taxed for those three years then go on to work “normal” jobs for the next 30 years, and someone who ultimately made the same income over 30 years at a high paying “normal” job got taxed so much less over the same time span. Athletes do not get taxed on "half their income." Each bracket of income is taxed at a progress…

That is a 39% tax rate. That feels like a pretty big percent.

That is a 39% rate on the income they make over $500k. That income was made possible by the laws and government activities that made people willing to spend $100/ticket or more to sit in a stadium/arena and watch the athlete play for an hour while millions of others tune in from the safety of their homes during their leisure time.

If the athlete doesn't like having a low 39% tax rate, they are free to move to Europe, where the same income is taxed at over 50%, or to Asia, where they won't pay as much in tax but they would also be making considerably less money before and after tax.

Re: Nearly half of Americans changed sports viewing habits because of social justice

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Post by mindslight » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 4:07 PM UTC

blacktriangle wrote: post #51

mindslight wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every political movement goes sideways when it gains mass popularity. I don't know if this is because the successful narratives tend to enrich some entrenched interest, psychopaths rise to the top, negative-sum games have popular appeal, the average person isn't smart enough to fit nuanced opinions in their head, humans are herd animals, or some mix of all of these. But whatever it is, whenever any grassroots movemen…

BLM is a self-proclaimed Marxist organization among whose stated goals is "the destruction of the nuclear family." I find it surprising that you as a libertarian would wish them well.

It's impossible to discuss your claim, because the only sources I could find making it were taking quotes and interpreting them in bad faith. If you have primary sources that back up what you're claiming I'd be interested. Otherwise it just seems like red team FUD.

Any large organization seeking change will always have members that stretch their agenda, framing it in terms of paving over everything with their pet paradigm. But judging a group by its outliers is fallacious. I've got no worry that BLM will somehow end up in charge of everything - they will be lucky if they accomplish one fifth of what they set out to do.

The energy of Black Lives Matter is based on bringing murderers to justice - something that anybody who believes in the rule of law should be concerned with. I'm unconcerned with who is statistically more likely to be killed by police. What I am concerned with is that an armed gang broke into fellow American Breonna Taylor's home and murdered her, but has yet to be prosecuted due to corruption! Every single one of these incidents is an injustice, regardless of skin color.

If you can point me to a similar non-racist or non-"Marxist" (your standard) organization fighting for the rule of law to be applied to the police, I am all ears.

As my previous comment alludes to, basing one's organization on racism is channeling a negative energy that will stay with the movement forever. But after seeing the reaction to BLM and the general events of 2020, apparently that overt racism exists to a greater degree than my New England sensibilities had imagined, and so they might as well acknowledge and use it.

Re: Nearly half of Americans changed sports viewing habits because of social justice

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Post by sethc2 » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 6:02 PM UTC

gamblor956 wrote: post #53

geoduck14 wrote: post #44

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That is a 39% tax rate. That feels like a pretty big percent.

That is a 39% rate on the income they make over $500k. That income was made possible by the laws and government activities that made people willing to spend $100/ticket or more to sit in a stadium/arena and watch the athlete play for an hour while millions of others tune in from the safety of their homes during their leisure time. If the athlete doesn't like having a low 39% tax rate, they are free to move to Europe,…

You’re missing the point.

A lot of these athletes come from very underprivileged backgrounds and worked their asses off to get there even then they often in the NFL let’s say have 2 year careers.

Let’s say they made 500k over two years so they take home 600k. Now they’re out of the NFL and make 50k a year for next 8 years. So over 10 years they make 1.4 million, but take home maybe 950k.

Meanwhile the person from a privileged background went to Stanford got a job in software at 140k a year. Over 10 years they gross 1.4 million but the total they took home is more than this athlete you so deride.

Re: Nearly half of Americans changed sports viewing habits because of social justice

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Post by blacktriangle » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 6:03 PM UTC

mindslight wrote: post #54

blacktriangle wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BLM is a self-proclaimed Marxist organization among whose stated goals is "the destruction of the nuclear family." I find it surprising that you as a libertarian would wish them well.

It's impossible to discuss your claim, because the only sources I could find making it were taking quotes and interpreting them in bad faith. If you have primary sources that back up what you're claiming I'd be interested. Otherwise it just seems like red team FUD. Any large organization seeking change will always have members that stretch their agenda, framing it in terms of paving over everything with their pet par…

https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/blm-removes-website-language-b...

Re: Nearly half of Americans changed sports viewing habits because of social justice

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Post by jariel » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 6:18 PM UTC

jfengel wrote: post #52

jariel wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes - Trump is an artifact of populism, and it's a tragedy that that kind of rhetoric had any kind of legitimization. But even during Trump's presidency, African Americans had their lowest unemployment rate in history. I don't credit him with much of that directly, rather, but he did preside over an area of 'open business growth' for which that was the result. Which is my point. Even despite the toxic rhetoric of a p…

Yes, things on the ground definitely improve. After eight minutes, for example, they'll stop cutting off your windpipe. But that's OK, because he might have had fentanyl in his system, and that means it was definitely not kneeling on his neck for eight minutes that killed him. I'm quite certain of that because HN tells me that, over and over. I'm using sarcasm because it's disingenuous to talk about "a public officia…

Sarcasm is not data.

Tweets are not actions.

There will always be sadomasochistic cops.

There will always be blowhards who are interested in promoting themselves who are confused as 'racists' when really they are just mega jerks.

During Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama and Trump 'things got better', broadly.

Re: Nearly half of Americans changed sports viewing habits because of social justice

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Post by mindslight » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 6:59 PM UTC

blacktriangle wrote: post #56

mindslight wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's impossible to discuss your claim, because the only sources I could find making it were taking quotes and interpreting them in bad faith. If you have primary sources that back up what you're claiming I'd be interested. Otherwise it just seems like red team FUD. Any large organization seeking change will always have members that stretch their agenda, framing it in terms of paving over everything with their pet par…

https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/blm-removes-website-language-b...

> We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and ‘villages’ that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable

So, crazy window dressing on what is ultimately a pretty tame point?

When you squeeze people, they get radicalized into outlandish viewpoints (see also: Trumpism). The answer is to listen to the core of their gripes, rather than rejecting them wholesale over the craziness.

Re: Nearly half of Americans changed sports viewing habits because of social justice

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Post by dang » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 8:41 PM UTC

bopbeepboop wrote: post #29

Google4567 wrote: post #25

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Lebron James, a black man in America, spoke out on issues affecting black men in America. He did not speak out on issues in China, nor does he speak out on issues affecting the First Nations in Canada, the Native Americans in America, the Aboriginals in Australia, and neither did he protest injustices in Africa, Europe nor the Middle East. Terrible behavior indeed not shouldering every injustice in the world.

Yep, and a man should focus on discipline in his house instead of confront the injustice of the world — that’s why he beats his wife instead of confronting real problems. LeBron happily accepts Chinese money for his work to be aired in the Chinese market: focusing his criticism on the less problematic customer is exactly what I’m calling out. China pays money he wants, and will stop if he talks, so he doesn’t talk ab…

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Re: Nearly half of Americans changed sports viewing habits because of social justice

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Post by dang » Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 8:41 PM UTC

Google4567 wrote: post #31

bopbeepboop wrote: post #29

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Yep, and a man should focus on discipline in his house instead of confront the injustice of the world — that’s why he beats his wife instead of confronting real problems. LeBron happily accepts Chinese money for his work to be aired in the Chinese market: focusing his criticism on the less problematic customer is exactly what I’m calling out. China pays money he wants, and will stop if he talks, so he doesn’t talk ab…

China really living rent free in your head, huh? How long have you been at war with Eastasia? Just say it out loud, you hate black people and you hate China, so it stains every other thought you have.

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