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Suppressing a gene by using its antibody can lead to tooth growth: animal study

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Re: Suppressing a gene by using its antibody can lead to tooth growth: animal study

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Post by xenadu02 »

dannyw wrote: post #31
giardini wrote: post #30

Whatever progress it may provide, I am certain that dentists and dentists' associations will slowly and surely entomb any process that reduces the sum of their individual annual incomes. I believe Adam Smith called it "the invisible hand" (w/o explicitly noting that the "invisible boot" is jammed into the "invisible customers"' collective asses).

It's so sad that most dentists optimise for billable revenue, even at the detriment of long term patient health. Fillings for example always degrade and need repairs after X years. Drilling and filling even the smallest cavity puts that teeth on a lifetime progression to bigger and bigger fillings, eventually a root canal, eventually an implant. Cavities, on the other hand can be arrested (stopped), and if small can…

My dentist simply put me on toothpaste with high fluoride (IIRC 8%?). Two caries remineralized over the span of about a year and I didn't need fillings.

Unfortunately high fluoride toothpastes require an RX.

Re: Suppressing a gene by using its antibody can lead to tooth growth: animal study

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Post by boruto »

bemmu wrote: post #66
blackrock wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have never heard of this Novamin toothpaste before. Nor has any of my dentists ever recommended it. It looks like the popular brand is Sensodyne.

Quick googling found a funny metastudy: "The articles from the database obtained for further review was N = 1. According to the study..."

Haha, I read the same after googling.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7068624/

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Post by [deleted] »

rexf wrote: post #77
dannyw wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's so sad that most dentists optimise for billable revenue, even at the detriment of long term patient health. Fillings for example always degrade and need repairs after X years. Drilling and filling even the smallest cavity puts that teeth on a lifetime progression to bigger and bigger fillings, eventually a root canal, eventually an implant. Cavities, on the other hand can be arrested (stopped), and if small can…

> Listen to your dentist you trust Sure, but it's tough to find a dentist since: > most dentists optimise for billable revenue I find it hard to trust dentists since they may exaggerate cavities to put money in their pocket.

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Re: Suppressing a gene by using its antibody can lead to tooth growth: animal study

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Post by Benjamin_Dobell »

donatj wrote: post #41
dannyw wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's so sad that most dentists optimise for billable revenue, even at the detriment of long term patient health. Fillings for example always degrade and need repairs after X years. Drilling and filling even the smallest cavity puts that teeth on a lifetime progression to bigger and bigger fillings, eventually a root canal, eventually an implant. Cavities, on the other hand can be arrested (stopped), and if small can…

Novamin toothpaste has been life changing for me. Cannot recommend highly enough. A tooth that was deteriorating and the dentist wanted to cap is now fine enough for them to simply keep an eye on.

I just started using toothpaste with nano-Hydroxypatite after a recommendation from a friend. Obviously I can't say much about its effectiveness long-term. But it feels amazing. Feels like there's a protective layer over the enamel - hopefully there actually is!

Apparently, nano-Hydroxypatite is even more effective than Novamin (which is still good): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5121804/

If you're in Australia and struggling to find toothpaste with Hydroxypatite, Chemist Warehouse stock "Healthy Care Sensitive Propolis Toothpaste". So far, highly recommended.

Re: Suppressing a gene by using its antibody can lead to tooth growth: animal study

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Post by tmamic »

throwaway57832 wrote: post #76
dannyw wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's so sad that most dentists optimise for billable revenue, even at the detriment of long term patient health. Fillings for example always degrade and need repairs after X years. Drilling and filling even the smallest cavity puts that teeth on a lifetime progression to bigger and bigger fillings, eventually a root canal, eventually an implant. Cavities, on the other hand can be arrested (stopped), and if small can…

> It's so sad that most dentists optimise for billable revenue I've heard this so often as well as the more general statement that doctors optimize for revenue. I think it's nonsense and even dangerous. People are more likely to die from deadly diseases like cancer because they avoid doctors. The anti-vaccination movement is also very likely linked to this sentiment. > Cavities, on the other hand can be arrested (sto…

> optimize for revenue. I think it's nonsense and even dangerous.

As with everything, there are caveats to the kind of doctor you are talking. The key distinction is that most dentists keep the residual income: the difference between the fixed costs and income. It can be a quite large sum and high % of dentists' earnings. So a dentist has a very strong incentive to increase it. Overtreating patients is the easiest way to do it since increasing the prices is not an option due to competition.

Who isn't keeping the residual income? It's the doctors who work only for a fixed salary. They can't earn more by overtreating. In fact, if they have less work, they are at profit since their salary is fixed. They don't care about increasing the residual income since they don't get it.

So, this is not some conspiracy theory. It is based on economic facts. I've analyzed this in more details here: https://documentation.denther.com/docs/industry/inefficienci...

Re: Suppressing a gene by using its antibody can lead to tooth growth: animal study

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Post by social_quotient »

donatj wrote: post #41
dannyw wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's so sad that most dentists optimise for billable revenue, even at the detriment of long term patient health. Fillings for example always degrade and need repairs after X years. Drilling and filling even the smallest cavity puts that teeth on a lifetime progression to bigger and bigger fillings, eventually a root canal, eventually an implant. Cavities, on the other hand can be arrested (stopped), and if small can…

Novamin toothpaste has been life changing for me. Cannot recommend highly enough. A tooth that was deteriorating and the dentist wanted to cap is now fine enough for them to simply keep an eye on.

I’ve had similar success with toothpastes containing “nano-hydroxyapatite” Amazon has several good ones.

I also have 2 kids, the youngest (4 yr old) had cavity issues which required intervention and then we started using the hydroxyapatite toothpaste and had no issues since.

I also headed down this path via looking for Novamin. I wish there was a reliable way to get it without the “is it fake” on Amazon. I’d gladly accept any reliable sources.

Re: Suppressing a gene by using its antibody can lead to tooth growth: animal study

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Post by social_quotient »

Benjamin_Dobell wrote: post #84
donatj wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Novamin toothpaste has been life changing for me. Cannot recommend highly enough. A tooth that was deteriorating and the dentist wanted to cap is now fine enough for them to simply keep an eye on.

I just started using toothpaste with nano-Hydroxypatite after a recommendation from a friend. Obviously I can't say much about its effectiveness long-term. But it feels amazing. Feels like there's a protective layer over the enamel - hopefully there actually is! Apparently, nano-Hydroxypatite is even more effective than Novamin (which is still good): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5121804/ If you're in…

Totally agree! The brands I use are - Apagard - Boka - CTx4

Re: Suppressing a gene by using its antibody can lead to tooth growth: animal study

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Post by tmamic »

logicchains wrote: post #43
dannyw wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's so sad that most dentists optimise for billable revenue, even at the detriment of long term patient health. Fillings for example always degrade and need repairs after X years. Drilling and filling even the smallest cavity puts that teeth on a lifetime progression to bigger and bigger fillings, eventually a root canal, eventually an implant. Cavities, on the other hand can be arrested (stopped), and if small can…

>Cavities, on the other hand can be arrested (stopped), and if small can even be remineralised. Yes, most dentists don't tell you that! >Careful monitoring and patient education on the other hand can lead to permanently keeping that natural teeth, as our teeth are living and can heal. Do you have any sources for this? I'm not disagreeing; I hope it's true.

https://youtu.be/3zL4Hou1P-c?t=187

Mineralisation of tooth is a constant process with a tug-of-war between pathogenic and protective factors [3:09].

If it's in the balance, of the remineralisation factors prevail, you can stop the progress of the cavity. But deeper the cavity, this is harder to achieve.

Arrested dental caries is an official diagnosis recognized by ADA: https://www.icd10data.com/ICD10CM/Codes/K00-K95/K00-K14/K02-...

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Post by kwhitefoot »

HWR_14 wrote: post #78
dannyw wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's so sad that most dentists optimise for billable revenue, even at the detriment of long term patient health. Fillings for example always degrade and need repairs after X years. Drilling and filling even the smallest cavity puts that teeth on a lifetime progression to bigger and bigger fillings, eventually a root canal, eventually an implant. Cavities, on the other hand can be arrested (stopped), and if small can…

My dentist friend claims he makes far more money per hour from cleanings than from fillings. This is because most of a cleaning is done by a relatively lowly paid hygienist but still requires him popping in for 5 minutes and a filling requires him to be there the whole time.

That's really strange. Here in Norway I visit a dentist roughly once a year and usually only see my dentist if the dental hygienist has found a problem.
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