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'Fake' Amazon workers defend company on Twitter
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#352Imagine being worth 185 billion dollars and still obsessing about your workers advocating for better pay and conditions? What a miserable existence that must be. Bezos has always struck me as a man who cares about nothing else only his own personal wealth and success. There is no joy in his life.
Imagine building a company from the ground up that is succesfull solely because it produces a lot of value to people, and yet random people on the internet still think all you care about is hoarding money and think they can make better decisions than you. Here is the summary of the issue. Firstly, pre-pandemic, unemployment was at an alltime low (and its trending that way to as places are reopening), very close to fr…
I depend on Amazon for a substantial portion of sales and logistics in one of my businesses.
Consider it a single piece of anecdata, but I would be more than happy to pay a higher fulfillment fee if it meant the workers didn't injure themselves and burn out in a matter of months.
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#353No way a company with the resources of Amazon is using several day old twitter accounts with first google result profile pictures. This is the equivalent of someone spray painting "We hate workers! signed, Amazon" on a wall I don't think even twitter can verify who made those accounts because it's so easy to vpn and use google voice numbers. You can choose what to believe, though
What's not believable about that? These several day old twitter accounts with stock image profile pictures have been influencing the masses for years now on twitter. You don't need a clever deception here. People are emotional enough on issues that they never vet a source or fact check something that validates their own world view already. Making a more clever burner account would take more time and money for little…
It's not that it's not believable, it's that the it's equally believable that a number of other vested parties could be doing it plausibly. You yourself just argued how low the barrier-to-entry for a campaign like this is.
In addition to Amazon itself, what if it's:
1. A huge investor in Amazon (like some hedge fund) who is doing it on amazon's behalf 2. A media outlet who wanted a scoop, so they manufactured one 3. A random 4chan troll looking for giggles 4. A foreign entity with some vested in sowing chaos into the discussion 5. A competitor of Amazon making them look bad through this easily debunked fake
I really can't believe your comment contains both of these quotes: "What's not believable about that?" and "People are emotional enough on issues that they never vet a source or fact check something that validates their own world view already"
Perhaps check yourself
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#354Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some people don't think that 'fair treatment' should be determined with the bosses wealth as a factor
Why not? The workers have created enormous value, more than any other time in the history of humanity. Why shouldn't we frame this in terms of where that value goes to?
Workers enter into an agreement - compensation for labor. There are plenty of people at Amazon who are now millionaires or very highly paid.
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#355Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unionization is a correction of the market if anything, as labor has a buyer's market. Both by the immediate need of survival by the seller, and a similarly high rate of exploitation at competing jobs that limits real choices. And arguably an actual monopsony/oligopsony, but that's besides the point. Edit: It's an interesting admission when you basically say that Amazon's worker productivity depends on coercion.
>Unionization is a correction of the market if anything, Nope. Injecting money into lower end income levels, through things like raising the minimum wage to $10-11, or social welfare programs, causes every company paying minimum wage to slightly bump up their salaries - thats a market correction. Unionization is economically equivalent to rent control, which is not a market correction. The reason why rent control doe…
>People who are not worth $15 an hour because are slow are artificially inflated, and now they get put into a job that is hard to fire from, which then in turn leads to companies less likely to hire people, which decreases labor supply, and has other cascading effects.
To be fair, plenty of huge companies hire all kinds of people that provide zero or negative value to the bottom line. Most of these positions are white collar, well paid and non-unionised: purchasing officers, university administrators (with the exception of that one person who actually does everything), sprawling HR departments, "Agile" project managers that can't code, the "management class" as a whole etc. Interestingly, the more "dead weight" employees a company has, the faster they will hire more.
Using your own brand of "individual actors maximising value" economic theory, it's pretty easy to see how this is the case. The people making these hiring decisions don't actually have any rational incentive to increase the profitability of the organisation, but will receive both increased job security and political power through appointing dead weight hires. So that's what they do.
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I knew this was going to be posted. I've been thinking about this post for a decade now and I can't help but feel that, although it does reflect part of reality, the Gervais Principle is overly cynical in my opinion, and those who adopt the view will have it compounded by confirmation bias because it is partially true. The things described happen at toxic organizations but the author leaves no room for honest positiv…
>Where does that leave people like doctors who earnestly help their patients? Making positive contributions to society doesn't change the fact that you're being exploited. It's become increasingly clear that Doctors (at least where I'm from) have low pay early in their careers, unsafe working conditions, and have almost no life outside of work. On top of that they have a stressful job involving interacting with membe…
Given the fact that nowadays doctor is mostly a rote memorization educational path, I often wonder if increasing the number of doctors but reducing hours and somewhat pay would be an overall improvement.
Both me and my girlfriend were majors of our promotions and had more than enough in the way of academic achievement to become doctors, but the insane workload was a very effective deterrent.
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Amazon warehouses have a far, far, higher turn over rate than other warehouses, probably because the conditions are so cruel. It’s really sad how many people get super invested in defending mega corporations. I hope it’s just employees trying to move up but you never know. https://labor411.org/411-blog/warehouse-worker-turnover-rate...
>Amazon warehouses have a far, far, higher turn over rate than other warehouses True >probably because the conditions are so cruel. Ugh, thats the crap I am talking about in the last sentence of my original post. There is nothing wrong with high turnover at a minimum wage manual labor job. Amazon hires seasonal workers that happily work overtime for $30 and then quit. Nobody is making a career out of being a warehous…
Very correct. Thank you. He provides a net benefit to his employees. Leave Jeff alone.
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#358I feel like authenticity of online communication is an unsolved problem. The web was supposed to be a democratizing platform: all you need to communicate with the world is an ISP and a keyboard. But if there's no way to control for authenticity, online sentiment will just be an arms race for who can pay for the best astroturfing.
Wasn't that always the case though only the medium changed? If you had a newspaper you could print whatever you wanted (as long as it wouldn't be against government or law), the same happens on social media only that everyone and their dog have their "newspaper".
The fact that you had to have money/capital in order to publish someone I guess was a limiting factor.
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Googling for critical thinking curricula and high school district returns Henrico County (VA) on page 5 or 6. One would think if it were integrated with other studies it would be mentioned somewhere other than Edutopia and Walden adverts.
Have you ever dissected a novel in English class? Did you discuss motivations for various historical events in history? Did you talk about theory of public speaking purposes and styles? I did, in a very rural, very underfunded school district - all of those things are critical thinking. It is integrated into other studies. But there tend to not be "This lesson is critical thinking" sorts of headers on the lesson plan…
My experience with dissecting novels is the opposite - you're expected to contort yourself, and often insult your own intelligence, to make sure that the result of your analysis doesn't deviate from the "correct" one too much.
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Probably because the actual influence of "official" video game journalists has waned significantly compared to individual critics on Youtube and other platforms. Yes, it's pretty pathetic that somebody who's job involves playing video games got stuck on the tutorial of Cuphead but then again, who cares? I don't consider it a real concern simply because outlets like IGN are waning in influence anyway. A far more insid…
You mean how all these Amazon attack articles are focusing on the systematic problem and not narrowly on a single company /s
Well considering the sheer extent and breadth of influence that Amazon has, I'm not sure how narrow it really is to write on Amazon's abuses.
Besides, you're comparing apples and oranges. It would be a better comparison if there were loads of attack articles on specific employees of Amazon instead of a giant multi-national company engaging in aggressive union busting behavior that is one of the largest employers in the world.