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Post by strken »

vimacs2 wrote: post #283
undefined1 wrote: post #219

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gamers are simultaneously angry with that Activision example AND the invasion of political activists into the hobby.

Sure but you are being disingenuous if you think that the outrage on Activision is even remotely comparable to the backlash against feminism in gaming. There is also no actual objective problem that feminism has caused to gaming that gamers can point to and I would argue that the vehement backlash against it is as driven by the "invasion of political activists into the hobby" as Anita Sarkeesean and other feminist pu…

Bobby Kotick has a PR department, strong incentives not to antagonise the community he sells to, and enough power within his company to fire anyone who does.

Activists have an incentive to be as incendiary as possible to gain media attention, smaller PR departments if any, and little to no control over what other activists say.

It's an unfortunate reality that if my local supermarket fires a bunch of workers for trying to unionise, but my neighbour gets in a screaming match with me because he thinks I scratched his car's paint, then I'll be mildly disappointed by the supermarket but frothing mad about my neighbour. It doesn't even matter what the confrontation is about: I'll be frothing mad about any topic that my neighbour brings up if he's screaming it at me, the medium is the message.

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Post by Can_Not »

hooande wrote: post #58
cecida wrote: post #43

Imagine being worth 185 billion dollars and still obsessing about your workers advocating for better pay and conditions? What a miserable existence that must be. Bezos has always struck me as a man who cares about nothing else only his own personal wealth and success. There is no joy in his life.

how would you respond if people said you were treating your employees unfairly? financial worth has nothing to do with it. if he feels that charge is untrue, he should push back against it. I would not be nearly as measured in my response. no sir, I am not the one

> how would you respond if people said you were treating your employees unfairly?

Easy:

"I have $185 billion less than Bezos to spend on treating my employees better, but I've also spent $0 on propaganda against my employees interests."

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Post by d1zzy »

vimacs2 wrote: post #281
throwaway3699 wrote: post #203

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> Gamers find it easier to be up in arms about journalists being bad at video games and women having too many opinions on their hobby Why lump real concerns in with blatant sexism?

Probably because the actual influence of "official" video game journalists has waned significantly compared to individual critics on Youtube and other platforms. Yes, it's pretty pathetic that somebody who's job involves playing video games got stuck on the tutorial of Cuphead but then again, who cares? I don't consider it a real concern simply because outlets like IGN are waning in influence anyway. A far more insid…

You mean how all these Amazon attack articles are focusing on the systematic problem and not narrowly on a single company /s

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Post by TheRealDunkirk »

eeeeehhhhh wrote: post #152
taormina wrote: post #103

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https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-... This is a fantastic read.

I knew this was going to be posted. I've been thinking about this post for a decade now and I can't help but feel that, although it does reflect part of reality, the Gervais Principle is overly cynical in my opinion, and those who adopt the view will have it compounded by confirmation bias because it is partially true. The things described happen at toxic organizations but the author leaves no room for honest positiv…

> Where does that leave people like doctors who earnestly help their patients?

I'm sure they'll BOTH figure it out.

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Post by deanCommie »

ActorNightly wrote: post #306
deanCommie wrote: post #180

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Fuck dude, why did you have to ruin your whole post with your last sentence? You can make a good argument without devolving into "us-vs-them" tribalism.

Its us-vs-them all the way when it comes to disinformation and shitting up the internet more. I don't care where your personal beliefs are, the issue is that this brand of online wokness is so widespread its taking over everything, with plenty of misinformation to go about. For example, Im big into mountain biking, and here is a recent example of this (read the comments) https://www.pinkbike.com/u/jamessmurthwaite/bl…

1) If it's us-vs-them about truth vs disinformation, then I don't see how you can possibly make it a left vs right issue. The Right wing invented the Orwellian term for "fake news" to mean "truths that are inconvenient to me", and spent 4 years gaslighting the public about blatant lies and misdirection.

2) Turning "woke" into an insult for everything progressive completely removes all nuance from a bunch of political positions that while frequently shared between similar people are completely unrelated. "Woke" was a term that came about with regards to social and specifically RACIAL justice.

The fact that the internet left is full of people so far extreme as to be actually Stalinist (and by that i mean would support guillotining the rich or sending them to gulags), does not negate the value of discussion of unions, or social inequalities between the races.

I would urge any sensible-minded individual to dismiss using "woke" from their lexicon as an insult because it immediately devalues your opinion (see also: SJW, Feminist, etc)

3) "For example, Im big into mountain biking, and here is a recent example of this (read the comments)"

I'm super not clear about your point here. Amazon ripped off an independent seller's design. Is that not a problem? Do people not have the right to be upset?

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Post by Supermancho »

ActorNightly wrote: post #164
cecida wrote: post #43

Imagine being worth 185 billion dollars and still obsessing about your workers advocating for better pay and conditions? What a miserable existence that must be. Bezos has always struck me as a man who cares about nothing else only his own personal wealth and success. There is no joy in his life.

Imagine building a company from the ground up that is succesfull solely because it produces a lot of value to people, and yet random people on the internet still think all you care about is hoarding money and think they can make better decisions than you. Here is the summary of the issue. Firstly, pre-pandemic, unemployment was at an alltime low (and its trending that way to as places are reopening), very close to fr…

> This in turn means that the pay that people recieve is worth whatever the working conditions are

> people can quit and go find easier job at any time

There's no basis for this, by your own observation. Offering bottles of water in the desert is not a fair trade of value. You have a hostage negotiation.

> There isn't a single shred of credible evidence that this is a widespread problem

Except for all the evidence you want to ignore or have laid before you to dismiss.

It's tiring at how poorly this rhetoric is thought out. I'll skip to my favorite part.

> Unionization is messing with the free market,

What does free market mean in this context? Oh right, whatever you think works because it makes sense in a closed system with immediate feedback. Reality does not match this. Major Airlines don't hire less people because they have unions (white collar and blue collar, typically).

Most of the post is some strange worldview using open language that has no weight or typical strawman theorycrafting.

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Post by pbourke »

asdff wrote: post #310
merpnderp wrote: post #276

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Your implication is that Bezos was inconsequential to the creation of all that brand new wealth. Surely you don't actually believe that and this is just your ideological rhetoric to further your politicized beliefs?

At some point, however, it's momentum and people in the engine room driving the ship rather than the captain. Replace bezos with another decent business person and I'm sure they would have made similar decisions along the way and ended up in a similar place today. It's not like bezos has some sacred gut, he just hires experts and listens to them like any other CEO would do.

> Replace bezos with another decent business person and I'm sure they would have made similar decisions along the way and ended up in a similar place today.

I worked at Amazon for 6 years. I don’t think that’s true at all. Nearly any other professional manager would have been too tempted to turn the mighty river of free cash flow into profit rather than reinvesting in the business.

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Post by TheRealDunkirk »

taormina wrote: post #103
TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #93

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For decades, I never thought people who kiss ass could have been serious. I was sure they were just cynically playing a game of advancement, and I despised them for it. What I've come to learn -- as disappointing as it is to me -- is that some people view this sort of thing as actual, legitimate opportunity, and are acting out of internal integrity. They don't see the hypocrisy of the power imbalance and how the comp…

https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-... This is a fantastic read.

Wow. And what's so startling about this breakdown is that you can figure out which of the 3 groups someone is in within 10 minutes of your first meeting with them.

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Post by seppin »

EMM_386 wrote: post #89
skohan wrote: post #3

I feel like authenticity of online communication is an unsolved problem. The web was supposed to be a democratizing platform: all you need to communicate with the world is an ISP and a keyboard. But if there's no way to control for authenticity, online sentiment will just be an arms race for who can pay for the best astroturfing.

> I feel like authenticity of online communication is an unsolved problem Someone else pointed out Voice.com in this space, which at least is trying to do it. Although if you read the fine print, the seem to require you to send them a "selfie", I'm not sure how that solves anything. https://about.voice.com/learn-more/

I say this with the greatest amount of respect, that's a feature that can easily be cloned by a network people already are on.

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Post by seppin »

autokad wrote: post #295
skohan wrote: post #3

I feel like authenticity of online communication is an unsolved problem. The web was supposed to be a democratizing platform: all you need to communicate with the world is an ISP and a keyboard. But if there's no way to control for authenticity, online sentiment will just be an arms race for who can pay for the best astroturfing.

well here's a start: #1 - stop using the internet to gauge what popular #2 - stop using what is popular to dictate law and how everyone has to act.

> #2 - stop using what is popular to dictate law and how everyone has to act.

So, stop democracy?

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