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Re: Nearly half of Americans changed sports viewing habits because of social justice

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Post by Larrikin » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 8:44 PM UTC

blacktriangle wrote: post #12

Larrikin wrote: post #10

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The world will be a better place when people are ok being wealthy without feeling the need to make every single penny possible. Being ok with cops killing unarmed minorities so you can sell more shoes shouldn't be a defensible position. Being ok with child labor and internment camps so you can make and sell more phones shouldn't be a defensible position. As an extremely minor example it seems like nearly every food c…

I think its less about making money and more about focusing on what he was actually good at. In later reflections on that line, Jordan goes on to say he never saw himself as a role model, just as a basketball player. I'd say the world will be a better place when people who are famous for X focus on their love of X and shut up about everything else about which they probably know less than the average citizen due to be…

So in an ideal world only politicians and political pundits would be allowed to voice their opinions on issues and not people actually effected?

LeBron isn't kneeling because he thinks the police will shoot him, he's kneeling for his family, friends, and people he grew up with that aren't famous athletes that he would like to stay alive.

Re: Nearly half of Americans changed sports viewing habits because of social justice

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Post by blacktriangle » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 8:50 PM UTC

Larrikin wrote: post #21

blacktriangle wrote: post #12

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I think its less about making money and more about focusing on what he was actually good at. In later reflections on that line, Jordan goes on to say he never saw himself as a role model, just as a basketball player. I'd say the world will be a better place when people who are famous for X focus on their love of X and shut up about everything else about which they probably know less than the average citizen due to be…

So in an ideal world only politicians and political pundits would be allowed to voice their opinions on issues and not people actually effected? LeBron isn't kneeling because he thinks the police will shoot him, he's kneeling for his family, friends, and people he grew up with that aren't famous athletes that he would like to stay alive.

LeBron is a wonderful example of people who shouldn't open their mouth about things they don't understand, like the actual police violence stats which show that blacks are underrepresented as the victims of the police as a function of criminality.

Re: Nearly half of Americans changed sports viewing habits because of social justice

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Post by Eleopteryx » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:04 PM UTC

jmeister wrote: post #2

Good. People watch sports to escape from everything else. “Shut up and dribble” is the way to go.

Strange comment. I have to imagine that the part you find "good" is the lowered viewership? Or what is the "good" part to which you're referring?

Re: Nearly half of Americans changed sports viewing habits because of social justice

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Post by bopbeepboop » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:05 PM UTC

Google234 wrote: post #5

It should be noted that the NBA is only woke with respect to the US, with China there’s no politics or social justice.

Which is particularly galling:

LeBron et al talk about how they won’t back down confronting wrongs! — except for China, who is actually racist and actually abusing human rights, right now. He shut up, sat down about that and read the script like he was told.

It’s beating your wife because you’re scared to confront real issues — and I don’t respect that behavior from pampered circus acts.

Re: Nearly half of Americans changed sports viewing habits because of social justice

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Post by Google4567 » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:13 PM UTC

bopbeepboop wrote: post #24

Google234 wrote: post #5

It should be noted that the NBA is only woke with respect to the US, with China there’s no politics or social justice.

Which is particularly galling: LeBron et al talk about how they won’t back down confronting wrongs! — except for China, who is actually racist and actually abusing human rights, right now. He shut up, sat down about that and read the script like he was told. It’s beating your wife because you’re scared to confront real issues — and I don’t respect that behavior from pampered circus acts.

Lebron James, a black man in America, spoke out on issues affecting black men in America.

He did not speak out on issues in China, nor does he speak out on issues affecting the First Nations in Canada, the Native Americans in America, the Aboriginals in Australia, and neither did he protest injustices in Africa, Europe nor the Middle East. Terrible behavior indeed not shouldering every injustice in the world.

Re: Nearly half of Americans changed sports viewing habits because of social justice

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Post by jariel » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:25 PM UTC

sethc2 wrote: post #16

I watched sports then and watch them now. I just love to see awesome athletes who have honed their bodies and reflexes to such a crazy degree do things I could never do. The interjection of social justice issues hasn’t yet taken anything away from the joy of the game from what I’ve seen. Kneeling for the anthem, wearing armbands with messages doesn’t change any of that. If they start saying we need more diversity in…

The interjection of SJ makes the moment 'very serious and contemplative'. Like being in Church, listening to a Sermon.

That's the complete opposite of sports where people spectate to literally get away from controversy, 'serious' things.

For many Americans, especially men, it's their '2 hour safe space' where they can have a beer and not worry.

Imagine if you're doing Yoga, and the well meaning instructor starts in about a rant about the importance of 'American Defence Spending'. Most progressives might have to agree with that on some level, but it's the last place they want to hear about it. Or even BLM for that matter.

The worst part is that the popular antagonism towards the keeling is misrepresented as a general malaise towards 'Social Justice' - which is generally false - as if to say the people having dinner interrupted by slightly violent BLM protesters must be 'anti Black' or whatever.

It's reasonable that athlete's want to use their voice for change, and I think most people would accept that, but they way they've gone about it is wrong.

I don't think many people realize how much 'bubble thinking' is going on, it's really bad.

I've lost interest in so many things 'American' I feel almost everything is inundated with culture war toxicity from every side.

Re: Nearly half of Americans changed sports viewing habits because of social justice

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Post by jariel » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:30 PM UTC

jfengel wrote: post #8

blacktriangle wrote: post #4

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I think its' more sinister than that. Keeping politics out of sports meant that sports were something that people could bond over. Sports could form a bridge between disparate viewpoints. Everybody talks about the growing political divide in America, but part of the problem is this compulsive desire to politicize everything has left nowhere for people with different views to feel comfortable congregating together.

I think the cause and effect are reversed here. People had sports as that bridge, and the country became more divided. That division has been increasing for decades. Sports came first and they weren't creating any bonding. If they had even slowed the process, they were rapidly running out of juice. The problem with "don't politicize" is that this has a thumb on the scale of the status quo. "Politicization" means that…

" That division has been increasing for decades."

Only in pop culture.

Almost every single material measure of integration has been improving. Wage gap, education gap, representation gap etc..

And from 1969->2001 even in pop culture things were improved.

It started to heat up with Obama (I love the guy, but many didn't) and went into overdrive in the last 5 years.

Watch CNN from 2005. It wasn't directly divisive, it was just somewhat biased news. Now, it's full on culture war.

Re: Nearly half of Americans changed sports viewing habits because of social justice

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Post by KlinkEastwood » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:32 PM UTC

Google4567 wrote: post #25

bopbeepboop wrote: post #24

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Which is particularly galling: LeBron et al talk about how they won’t back down confronting wrongs! — except for China, who is actually racist and actually abusing human rights, right now. He shut up, sat down about that and read the script like he was told. It’s beating your wife because you’re scared to confront real issues — and I don’t respect that behavior from pampered circus acts.

Lebron James, a black man in America, spoke out on issues affecting black men in America. He did not speak out on issues in China, nor does he speak out on issues affecting the First Nations in Canada, the Native Americans in America, the Aboriginals in Australia, and neither did he protest injustices in Africa, Europe nor the Middle East. Terrible behavior indeed not shouldering every injustice in the world.

Funny how it works. Black people's struggle is always my people's struggle, but it's never the other way around. Injustice toward black people anywhere is injustice everywhere, but it's never that way when it's not black people. they don't have principals, they have a shallow and myopic self interest. and you are wrong - he did speak out on issues in china, he said shut the hell up about it because they will stop buying my shoes if you don't shut up. for all the good he does, when it comes down to it, when his bottom line is marginally affected he is a coward just like everyone pimping out wokeness to sell garbage.

Re: Nearly half of Americans changed sports viewing habits because of social justice

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Post by bopbeepboop » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:40 PM UTC

Google4567 wrote: post #25

bopbeepboop wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is particularly galling: LeBron et al talk about how they won’t back down confronting wrongs! — except for China, who is actually racist and actually abusing human rights, right now. He shut up, sat down about that and read the script like he was told. It’s beating your wife because you’re scared to confront real issues — and I don’t respect that behavior from pampered circus acts.

Lebron James, a black man in America, spoke out on issues affecting black men in America. He did not speak out on issues in China, nor does he speak out on issues affecting the First Nations in Canada, the Native Americans in America, the Aboriginals in Australia, and neither did he protest injustices in Africa, Europe nor the Middle East. Terrible behavior indeed not shouldering every injustice in the world.

Yep, and a man should focus on discipline in his house instead of confront the injustice of the world — that’s why he beats his wife instead of confronting real problems.

LeBron happily accepts Chinese money for his work to be aired in the Chinese market: focusing his criticism on the less problematic customer is exactly what I’m calling out.

China pays money he wants, and will stop if he talks, so he doesn’t talk about it — because he’s a cheap hypocrite. More than that, your portrayal of him not speaking on those issues is plain false: he was happy to discuss Hong Kong. He just doesn’t speak about issues in China which would negatively finically impact him.

How do you think black people are treated in China?

My hunch is “not well” based on how they hid Finn on the Star Wars poster. Why doesn’t LeBron talk about the treatment of blacks in China, where the NBA also airs?

LeBron runs his mouth, but he sits down and shuts up for a check. He knows that China is racist against him and treats him like a trained dog, telling him to sit or speak on command — and he does it. So he lashes out at other people about the fact even though he’s an overpaid circus performer, he’ll always be a bitch like that.

Re: Nearly half of Americans changed sports viewing habits because of social justice

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Post by BaseS4 » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 9:59 PM UTC

blacktriangle wrote: post #14

mikestew wrote: post #11

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Keeping politics out of sports... That is, we do that after we do our little patriotic opening song, then we leave the politics out, right?

If you think that the anthem is political, then I can't help you. The point of the anthem, like sports, is to remind us of a shared nation we all belong to and are free to disagree with each other within.

Shared nations are racist.

We must bring back segregation to prove how anti-racist we are.