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As Bad Information Spreads, Florida Schools Seek to Teach 'Digital Literacy'

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What you call "bad information" I call "a difference of opinion." And I call your attempts to institute mass re-education in "digital literacy" to "combat" this "bad information" suppression of free thought and oppression of contrarian and non-mainstream voices.

Yep the problem is the so called "bad information" is mostly just stuff the left dislikes due to Trump and not necessarily false. This is easy to see now that Biden is doing just as badly with immigration and even worse is some regards but now suddenly it's not an issue we need to be concerned with.

It's incredibly obvious that even factual information is being regarded as false if it doesn't align with a certain agenda. This is where it gets pretty scary and basically you're telling people you want their children in a re-education camp to make sure they fall in line. It's the opposite of the critical thinking they're supposedly pushing.

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30 years ago we called this "critical thinking", something schools have always had a lot trouble with, in part because critical thinking is a weapon against illegitimate authority, which schools also have a lot of trouble with.

Also because teachers have trouble with it. I’d guess out of all the teachers I had at a decent public school, probably only 1 in 5 could be reasonably considered critical thinkers. I’d guess 2 in 5 were actively hostile to the concept and the rest were just ambivalent. Illegitimate (or at least arbitrary) authority is something schools seem to thrive on. Our school had a staircase you could only go up and one you co…

> Underpaid, low status jobs

To me this is the critical problem. Education is an incredibly important part of a well-functioning society, but we treat teachers very poorly. We need to elevate teachers, both in the training & expertise needed as well as the pay and autonomy we provide them.

Re: As Bad Information Spreads, Florida Schools Seek to Teach 'Digital Literacy'

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30 years ago we called this "critical thinking", something schools have always had a lot trouble with, in part because critical thinking is a weapon against illegitimate authority, which schools also have a lot of trouble with.

My kids are being taught a lot of critical race theory concepts in their middle school which, to put it charitably, don't have a whole lot of objective data behind them. That said, it's probably reasonable for schools to try to propagate some set of standard ideologies which parents can then modulate by offering their own opinions. The place this probably doesn't work so well is situations where parents are either absent or radicalized in some way. Unsurprisingly, those two situations do seem to be where a lot of social problems originate.

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I wonder if this will work out any better than the "computer" classes that teach people to use MS Word (do you really need a class on this?) instead of something they could actually use like an understanding of relational algebra.

Those computer classes were actually really useful for me, let me explore power point and was a way to make a video game within PowerPoint, which was super cool.

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30 years ago we called this "critical thinking", something schools have always had a lot trouble with, in part because critical thinking is a weapon against illegitimate authority, which schools also have a lot of trouble with.

My kids are being taught a lot of critical race theory concepts in their middle school which, to put it charitably, don't have a whole lot of objective data behind them. That said, it's probably reasonable for schools to try to propagate some set of standard ideologies which parents can then modulate by offering their own opinions. The place this probably doesn't work so well is situations where parents are either ab…

Have you spoken to the school about your concerns? Do your children know about your reservations with what they are being taught?

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"The U.S. intelligence community found that in both the 2020 and 2016 elections, Russia employed a range of online methods in an attempt to help former President Donald Trump, and undermine his Democratic rivals, Hillary Clinton and President Biden."

Is this a fact?

If I remember right from the things that I read and listened about it, If Russia was involved, it wouldn't be the first time, and yes, US do the same[1], they didn't want to "help" Donald Trump but instead help themselves, i.e trying to have there the most appropriate candidate to be able to work with (from Russia point-of-view) or/and destabilize U.S.

[1]: https://news.yale.edu/2020/08/20/rigged-details-long-history...

Re: As Bad Information Spreads, Florida Schools Seek to Teach 'Digital Literacy'

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What you call "bad information" I call "a difference of opinion." And I call your attempts to institute mass re-education in "digital literacy" to "combat" this "bad information" suppression of free thought and oppression of contrarian and non-mainstream voices.

Yep the problem is the so called "bad information" is mostly just stuff the left dislikes due to Trump and not necessarily false. This is easy to see now that Biden is doing just as badly with immigration and even worse is some regards but now suddenly it's not an issue we need to be concerned with. It's incredibly obvious that even factual information is being regarded as false if it doesn't align with a certain age…

I think your comment will be downvoted to invisibility for using the trigger words "Trump" and "the left" but you're not wrong. As a European we experience the political trickle-down of "critical race theory" from the US cultural war even if our history is completely different. And as an outsider, the double-standard in reporting and tone on Trump vs. Biden is disturbing to see.

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30 years ago we called this "critical thinking", something schools have always had a lot trouble with, in part because critical thinking is a weapon against illegitimate authority, which schools also have a lot of trouble with.

My kids are being taught a lot of critical race theory concepts in their middle school which, to put it charitably, don't have a whole lot of objective data behind them. That said, it's probably reasonable for schools to try to propagate some set of standard ideologies which parents can then modulate by offering their own opinions. The place this probably doesn't work so well is situations where parents are either ab…

> My kids are being taught a lot of critical race theory concepts in their middle school which, to put it charitably, don't have a whole lot of objective data behind them.

Can you give examples of the concepts you mention your kids are being taught in their middle school?

Re: As Bad Information Spreads, Florida Schools Seek to Teach 'Digital Literacy'

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I wonder if this will work out any better than the "computer" classes that teach people to use MS Word (do you really need a class on this?) instead of something they could actually use like an understanding of relational algebra.

What do people use more often to get work done. MS Word or relational algebra?

Purely because they don't know any relational algebra. If they knew both they wouldn't use Word.
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