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'Fake' Amazon workers defend company on Twitter

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Re: 'Fake' Amazon workers defend company on Twitter

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Post by duskwuff »

disabled wrote: post #87

Some bots producing fake reviews on Amazon are just too funny to write off. My favorite ( https://www.amazon.com/Evaluation-Astroskin-Behavioral-Self-... ): "Wow!!!!! this product exceeded all my expectations. When I travel through space, I have always wished there was a way to measure my vital signs without bulky hardware and uncomfortable wires! Arun's project report taught me everything I needed to know about the…

That review is pretty obviously a joke. The account has a long history of occasional legitimate-looking reviews on ordinary products -- it's nothing like the pattern that's typical of bot reviewers.

Re: 'Fake' Amazon workers defend company on Twitter

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Post by WC3w6pXxgGd »

deanCommie wrote: post #180
ActorNightly wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine building a company from the ground up that is succesfull solely because it produces a lot of value to people, and yet random people on the internet still think all you care about is hoarding money and think they can make better decisions than you. Here is the summary of the issue. Firstly, pre-pandemic, unemployment was at an alltime low (and its trending that way to as places are reopening), very close to fr…

Fuck dude, why did you have to ruin your whole post with your last sentence? You can make a good argument without devolving into "us-vs-them" tribalism.

Because it's an accurate sentence?

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Post by jtdev »

ActorNightly wrote: post #164
cecida wrote: post #43

Imagine being worth 185 billion dollars and still obsessing about your workers advocating for better pay and conditions? What a miserable existence that must be. Bezos has always struck me as a man who cares about nothing else only his own personal wealth and success. There is no joy in his life.

Imagine building a company from the ground up that is succesfull solely because it produces a lot of value to people, and yet random people on the internet still think all you care about is hoarding money and think they can make better decisions than you. Here is the summary of the issue. Firstly, pre-pandemic, unemployment was at an alltime low (and its trending that way to as places are reopening), very close to fr…

I would love to hear you define what you mean by this statement regarding Amazon: "produces a lot of value to people"

Just selling cheap shit with no regard for those who produce and deliver your products doesn't equate to "produce a lot of value to people"...

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Post by argc »

As a current AWS employee, I can say I'm proud to be working for AWS (at least my organization) but incredibly embarrassed to be working for Amazon.

I had written a much more scathing comment about the Amazon side of the business but I'm not sure what is allowed under hacker news's community guidelines.

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Post by wheybags »

disabled wrote: post #133
aembleton wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure that was created by a bot.

A lot of my work revolves around physiological research of bioelectrical signals produced by the human body. If you have spent as much time in this niche field as I have, you would know that this had to be a fake, both from the apparent context already stated along with details that others do not know. For example, for your 5 person "crew" to be using the Astroskin, let's just say that you would have to invest $10k-$…

To me, it reads like a joke, not a bot.

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Post by clairity »

javajosh wrote: post #68
kibleopard wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed for sure, but even the younger generations seem susceptible to believing whatever they read on Twitter, etc. There have been countless times I’ve seen people share info as de facto truth when they simply glanced at a headline Twitter pushed them without bothering to read deeper.

My hope is that it all seems like a joke to the youngsters, and they don't take any of it seriously. In other words, they know its a lie but share it anyway because it's funny to do so and a lie has a group momentum that can crush you if you stand in its way, so why bother? Look at gay marriage - the lie that it's akin to beastiality, or the lie that it will ruin straight marriate, these are lies that are actually qu…

everyone supports things they don’t necessarily believe is ‘truth’. it’s why political discussions are often tiresome and distracting. they posit that one side believes a falsehood (like the election was stolen, masks will save the world, or qanon anything) and then argues about that incessantly, rather than understanding the underlying emotions and motivations and then having conversations based on those understandings.

for instance people insist the election was stolen, not because they literally know it to be true, but rather because the outcome, that democrats control national politics, is somehow unacceptable. a productive discussion would start here, with why that’s unacceptable, not quibbling over whether the election was actually stolen or not (it wasn’t).

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Post by stale2002 »

Barrin92 wrote: post #161
542458 wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the argument is that those systems DO contain significant downsides (ease of censorship, discouraging socially unacceptable viewpoints, etc) that you’d be porting to the web.

censorship and discouraging socially unacceptable views is the upside . What else do you think throwing Amazon shill bots off your platform is? That's the entire point of identity systems. Deciding who stays in and who stays out and sanctioning bad actors. Identity makes it so that harming a community has costs, and helping a community accrues trust. That's all it is.

No, it is the downside.

Everyone has 1 million different opinions that are going to be controversial to someone out there.

I don't want it to be easy for anyone who disagrees with people, on anything, to track down someone physically, in real life.

> Deciding who stays in and who stays

Ok and I don't want you to be able to decide who stays in and stays out.

It should be very difficult to keep others that you don't like out.

And for the very extreme situations, that are exceptionally bad, we have the police and court system.

You should only be able to "keep people out" of engaging in speech if their actions are so bad that you are literally willing to lock them up in prison for it.

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Post by tablespoon »

snarf21 wrote: post #123
disabled wrote: post #87

Some bots producing fake reviews on Amazon are just too funny to write off. My favorite ( https://www.amazon.com/Evaluation-Astroskin-Behavioral-Self-... ): "Wow!!!!! this product exceeded all my expectations. When I travel through space, I have always wished there was a way to measure my vital signs without bulky hardware and uncomfortable wires! Arun's project report taught me everything I needed to know about the…

I don't think they are making it illegal to go the bathroom they are just making it economically awful. If you miss X minutes in an hour, the whole hour doesn't count. You have to deliver X packages per hour everyday and one miss gets you written up, which can lead to firing. You seem to forget that a lot of these workers are unskilled and have few choices. Amazon may be paying $15/hr but they will work you like dogs…

> I don't think they are making it illegal to go the bathroom they are just making it economically awful. If you miss X minutes in an hour, the whole hour doesn't count. You have to deliver X packages per hour everyday and one miss gets you written up, which can lead to firing.

Which is actually worse. Doing it that way gives Amazon and its apologists deflect the blame back onto the victim (e.g. the worker made voluntary choice to work at Amazon, and a voluntary choice to take the break and accept the cost, Amazon fully supports the voluntary choices of its workers, if the worker is in a shitty situation, it's their fault for making those choices, etc.), even though Amazon is actually responsible for creating the situation and its consequences. If they made it "illegal," at least it would make their responsibility clear.

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Post by throwyetanother »

ActorNightly wrote: post #164
cecida wrote: post #43

Imagine being worth 185 billion dollars and still obsessing about your workers advocating for better pay and conditions? What a miserable existence that must be. Bezos has always struck me as a man who cares about nothing else only his own personal wealth and success. There is no joy in his life.

Imagine building a company from the ground up that is succesfull solely because it produces a lot of value to people, and yet random people on the internet still think all you care about is hoarding money and think they can make better decisions than you. Here is the summary of the issue. Firstly, pre-pandemic, unemployment was at an alltime low (and its trending that way to as places are reopening), very close to fr…

>So Bezos is doing the correct thing by being anti union. Unionization is messing with the free market, which never leads to good outcomes historically.

Tell that to Sweden, with its 80% unionization rate and productivity (GDP per hour worked) at 97% of that of the United States.

And since you said "historically" - it's not a recent change of affairs. In the 1970s Sweden's productivity (GDP per hour) was 90% of that of the United States.

Feel free to compare other European nations:

https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Labor/Trade-... https://data.oecd.org/lprdty/gdp-per-hour-worked.htm

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