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Man Built a $188M Fortune Investing in Stocks Then Donated It to Charity

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Re: Man Built a $188M Fortune Investing in Stocks Then Donated It to Charity

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I keep trying to develop the habit of having wealthy parents but they keep being poor. Also, those articles about getting rich keep telling me to utilize my assets to earn additional income but that is illegal in my state. Please send help.

You can still leave wealth to your children! Multigenerational wealth has to start somewhere. Not sure about the second part of your question - buy different assets maybe?

Putting some stonks your kids name when they are born might not be a bad idea..

There's probably some tax benefits. And a good chance they won't touch it for the first 18 years -- By which time you might have given them a taste for compounding interest :)

Re: Man Built a $188M Fortune Investing in Stocks Then Donated It to Charity

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Here’s a guy who saved his money and invested it and made a huge fortune from an inherited fortune, all so he could give it away. The response - “ugh what an a-hole, who inherited his wealth”. I’m so sick of hacker news. I mean if you were defending someone who squandered their opportunities but the bias was in the system, I applaud that defense. We should be very aware that some people are screwed and oppressed. But…

The comments are not bemoaning the guy, they are bemoaning the article that implies the way to build wealth is with good habits.

The guy didn’t write the article, he lived a long life and donated a lot of money to charity after his death. I’m sure he’d be the first to say that he was lucky to have inherited so much wealth.

Re: Man Built a $188M Fortune Investing in Stocks Then Donated It to Charity

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Buffet’s dad was a federal congressman with his own investment firm, and grandparents were owners of a grocery store. Not saying he didn’t work for any of it or didn’t deserve it, but you’re not going to be Buffett by socking away 20% of your pay in a retirement account (you might be nominally if US gov keeps printing money, but not in real terms). He certainly is an outlier in terms of intelligence and work ethic, b…

he is certainly and outlier, and probably a bad example, but i read his biography and if i remember correctly he started investing money he made on is paper route in stocks early on. It's true your probably not going to make 188M, but even a lot less than that is still rich.

>if i remember correctly he started investing money he made on is paper route in stocks early on.

Yes, and he should be credited with taking that initiative. But note that this was the 1940s. I would posit a high probability that Buffet got advice from his educated father, who had is own investment firm, that 99% of children would never get because they didn't have someone as capable as Buffett's father. And/or the other paperboys had to chip in and help feed their family unlike Buffett who could afford to lose his paper route money and not sacrifice anything essential (again, presumably, but I think it's a good guess).

Even nowadays, with the ease of the internet, I would say that simply having parents who know what a low cost broad market index fund is puts you a standard deviation above the median average in terms of how good of a start you have in life.

Re: Man Built a $188M Fortune Investing in Stocks Then Donated It to Charity

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From the article: Most millionaires opt for stealth wealth. Their friends don’t know, their coworkers don’t know, their extended family doesn’t know. In a few cases, not even their children know! Wealth is accumulated through habits; at least in a free society like ours. At the moment, something like 1 out of 25 households falls into the millionaire category, most of it self-made. From the comments: Your right in Jac…

> "Wealth is accumulated through habits" is a great story to tell people but it seems very often to be complete BS. I see a lot of these. One of my favorite examples is https://www.businessinsider.com/how-ebony-horton-paid-off-22... . "How one 31-year-old paid off $220,000 in student loans in 3 years" is the exciting title. You have to get to paragraph #7 to learn "work at your parent's charity" is one of the techniq…

That sounds tough. Everybody else just voted Democrat.

Re: Man Built a $188M Fortune Investing in Stocks Then Donated It to Charity

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Related: Effective Altruism is a movement & community of people focusing on the effectiveness - > about answering one simple question: how can we use our resources to help others the most? https://www.effectivealtruism.org/ Giving What We Can is a community of people who have pledged to give at least 10% of their income to cost-effective charities. I'm a proud member of 10 years. https://www.givingwhatwecan.org/ Zell…

Effective Altruism is very confusing to me as it seems to only address the symptoms of poverty and not the root causes. In a very abbreviated version, that root cause being that our society requires that some labor in terrible conditions for little pay because it is necessary to maintain profits. And, those people having little power to oppose this state of affairs compared to those who perpetuate the status quo, not…

Early years of Effective Altruism (EA) was about promoting "earning to give" as it was a straight-forward and simple way for people who are late in their careers to do a tremendous amount of good (by giving to cost-effective charities). But as the movement grew, there are more individuals joining at the beginning of their career and are more flexible with what they can do: enter https://80000hours.org/ (80,000 hours is roughly the amount of hours people will spend during their working life).

There is now a misconception that EA is about "patch fixes" rather than addressing "systemic causes". This is unfortunate, as numerous people within EA are concerned with the far future and broader goals than helping most-in-need individuals immediately. For example, pandemic risk (and decreasing it) has been on the EA radar well before the current pandemic.

One lesson from EA, is that you can't in good faith say "I can't do much good, I'm not working in a non-profit" -- since just about everyone (who is well over the US poverty level) is able to give at least some amounts to charity. And since giving to cost-effective charities can be 1000x the positive impact of average charities, you don't even have to give much to do a lot of good (see https://givewell.org/ for recommendations).

As for people who want systemic change, EA is all in favor of it - connect with others working on the same issues, and focus on effectiveness as you do the best you can with your efforts.

Re: Man Built a $188M Fortune Investing in Stocks Then Donated It to Charity

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From the article: Most millionaires opt for stealth wealth. Their friends don’t know, their coworkers don’t know, their extended family doesn’t know. In a few cases, not even their children know! Wealth is accumulated through habits; at least in a free society like ours. At the moment, something like 1 out of 25 households falls into the millionaire category, most of it self-made. From the comments: Your right in Jac…

On one hand, I find the rhetoric in the (originally linked) article annoying and unhelpful. On the other hand, I wish it wasn’t taboo to talk about money in our society. I wish I could read stories about normal people managing their finances well, from how to save wages from a minimum wage job up to managing a large salary, liquidation event, or trust fund. I feel like I was wholly unprepared to deal with money effec…

>On the other hand, I wish it wasn’t taboo to talk about money in our society. I wish I could read stories about normal people managing their finances well, from how to save wages from a minimum wage job up to managing a large salary, liquidation event, or trust fund.

r/personalfinance covers what you can do with less money.

Bogleheads or biggerpockets forums for experiences about handling more money.

For even more money, you should network and hang out with rich people and will probably need to get involved in politics at some point.

https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/wiki/commontopics

Re: Man Built a $188M Fortune Investing in Stocks Then Donated It to Charity

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> "Wealth is accumulated through habits" is a great story to tell people but it seems very often to be complete BS. I see a lot of these. One of my favorite examples is https://www.businessinsider.com/how-ebony-horton-paid-off-22... . "How one 31-year-old paid off $220,000 in student loans in 3 years" is the exciting title. You have to get to paragraph #7 to learn "work at your parent's charity" is one of the techniq…

I've seen this example going around because it's such an egregious example of attributing to hard work what was essentially just gifted, but I think "wealth is accumulated through habits" is not wrong. It's really just a statement about compound interest, that if you live frugally and invest you'll end up with tons of money. The statement is better characterized as something like "wealth is the product of habits and…

I'm going to say something heretical here, but: I'm increasingly convinced that the whole compound interest thing is bullshit. Not math-wise, the math checks out. Just propaganda-wise. In practice, with interest rates available to general population, a typical person isn't going to accumulate any meaningful wealth unless they were already wealthy.

Say you're saving $500 a month for 10 years, on an account with 5% interest rate. After 10 years, you have $76,281, i.e. $16,281 over the $60,000 you put in. It's just 27% more - and that's assuming you can find an investment with real 5% interest rate, and without taking inflation into account. It's also assuming the banks won't pull off something funny, or that your country doesn't redenominate your currency. In this scenario of continuous savings, it takes about 27 years for the interest to double the amount of money you have. Again, if you can find something that pays you real 5% of interest. The real rates on low-risk accounts seem to be sub-1% these days.

I've been running some back-of-the-envelope calculations like these every now and then, and I'm yet to see a scenario in which compound interests gives me anything in a reasonable time frame. As it is, my wealth-accumulating strategy is just "spend less, and earn more" - with the latter part doing almost all the difference. But I can only pull this off because I'm privileged to work in tech industry, which has more money than it knows what to do with - it's not something I can recommend to my relatives with more mundane jobs.

(I guess I could get into real estate investment? I think I have too low risk tolerance for it, and I also have plenty of ethical concerns about getting rich off flipping houses.)

The trick with "if you live frugally and invest you'll end up with tons of money" is that unless you take risks and are lucky, "end up" is likely to come around your retirement age, when you'll have little use for "tons of money" except paying for medical bills - so you'll pass it on to the next generation, to give them a shot at the life you wanted to have.

Re: Man Built a $188M Fortune Investing in Stocks Then Donated It to Charity

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post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen this example going around because it's such an egregious example of attributing to hard work what was essentially just gifted, but I think "wealth is accumulated through habits" is not wrong. It's really just a statement about compound interest, that if you live frugally and invest you'll end up with tons of money. The statement is better characterized as something like "wealth is the product of habits and…

I'm going to say something heretical here, but: I'm increasingly convinced that the whole compound interest thing is bullshit. Not math-wise, the math checks out. Just propaganda-wise. In practice, with interest rates available to general population, a typical person isn't going to accumulate any meaningful wealth unless they were already wealthy. Say you're saving $500 a month for 10 years, on an account with 5% int…

Part of the "habits" thing is that they have to span horizontally across family and friends, and vertically across generations. A private village of people all pulling together will be far more effective than any one person pulling alone.

Re: Man Built a $188M Fortune Investing in Stocks Then Donated It to Charity

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post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen this example going around because it's such an egregious example of attributing to hard work what was essentially just gifted, but I think "wealth is accumulated through habits" is not wrong. It's really just a statement about compound interest, that if you live frugally and invest you'll end up with tons of money. The statement is better characterized as something like "wealth is the product of habits and…

I'm going to say something heretical here, but: I'm increasingly convinced that the whole compound interest thing is bullshit. Not math-wise, the math checks out. Just propaganda-wise. In practice, with interest rates available to general population, a typical person isn't going to accumulate any meaningful wealth unless they were already wealthy. Say you're saving $500 a month for 10 years, on an account with 5% int…

>the whole compound interest thing is bullshit

Writers probably mean compounded investment returns from the public markets. I would be surprised if anyone thought an FDIC insured bank account was going to have an interest high enough to get you anywhere.

Re: Man Built a $188M Fortune Investing in Stocks Then Donated It to Charity

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post #111

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You can still leave wealth to your children! Multigenerational wealth has to start somewhere. Not sure about the second part of your question - buy different assets maybe?

Putting some stonks your kids name when they are born might not be a bad idea.. There's probably some tax benefits. And a good chance they won't touch it for the first 18 years -- By which time you might have given them a taste for compounding interest :)

The only tax benefit is if your state offers one for 529 plans.
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