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Boston Dynamics Unveils New Robot for Warehouse Automation

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Re: Boston Dynamics Unveils New Robot for Warehouse Automation

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Is there a reference design/concept for zero-human warehouse operations? Stretch looks like something optimized for warehouses designed around human operators. If humans weren't even part of the design consideration I would think the robotics would be less of a replacement for the humans walking the aisles and picking stock and more integrated into the storage infrastructure itself.

The NCSU library has an impressive system for housing and retrieving books that is fully automated, not quite a warehouse, but similar concept.

1. https://www.lib.ncsu.edu/huntlibrary/bookbot

Re: Boston Dynamics Unveils New Robot for Warehouse Automation

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It's not difficult to imagine ultra-efficient warehouses that have no need for physical human labor, within our lifetime. Exciting stuff. But I have to ask: Can this thing fight queen xenomorphs? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWJDtVmGenc

Harder to imagine a society in which we have no need for jobs though

Unless we get something like UBI we'll always need shitty job to keep people busy. Automation for the sake of automation doesn't bring much if 70% of the population is still working 8 hours a day 5 days a week on more and more useless tasks.

This isn't even talking about the fact that we're increasing productivity per unit of time but never reducing working hours, I wonder when this is going to end

Re: Boston Dynamics Unveils New Robot for Warehouse Automation

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will they unionize?

I don't think Amazon cares much about the long team warehouse worker situation because they know it will be automated very soon. I'm curious if workers unionizing could negatively affect their automation aspirations.

Re: Boston Dynamics Unveils New Robot for Warehouse Automation

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Is there a reference design/concept for zero-human warehouse operations? Stretch looks like something optimized for warehouses designed around human operators. If humans weren't even part of the design consideration I would think the robotics would be less of a replacement for the humans walking the aisles and picking stock and more integrated into the storage infrastructure itself.

The traditional terms is "lights off factory" or "lights off warehouse" because if there aren't any humans around why bother turning on the lights? You already have some warehouse systems automatically move goods to human pickers who just reach into the bins and put the items there into the box that gets sent to the customer. These AS/RS systems can already look like robotic warrens, I imagine when we don't need humans pickers any more you might see even more density in warehouses with layers of picking arms one on top of the other. You'd still need maintenance access though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_storage_and_retrieva...

Re: Boston Dynamics Unveils New Robot for Warehouse Automation

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It's not difficult to imagine ultra-efficient warehouses that have no need for physical human labor, within our lifetime. Exciting stuff. But I have to ask: Can this thing fight queen xenomorphs? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWJDtVmGenc

They do exist already, sort of. Fully automated pallet racks and automated warehouses for small articles do exist. They are very capital intensive so and scale not really good.

Re: Boston Dynamics Unveils New Robot for Warehouse Automation

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It's not difficult to imagine ultra-efficient warehouses that have no need for physical human labor, within our lifetime. Exciting stuff. But I have to ask: Can this thing fight queen xenomorphs? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWJDtVmGenc

Harder to imagine a society in which we have no need for jobs though Unless we get something like UBI we'll always need shitty job to keep people busy. Automation for the sake of automation doesn't bring much if 70% of the population is still working 8 hours a day 5 days a week on more and more useless tasks. This isn't even talking about the fact that we're increasing productivity per unit of time but never reducing…

> we'll always need shitty job to keep people busy.

That's a pretty darned condescending attitude to harbor there. I know a lot of people who have what you'd call s#### jobs, and they're happy, fulfilled, and proud of the work they do.

Re: Boston Dynamics Unveils New Robot for Warehouse Automation

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It's not difficult to imagine ultra-efficient warehouses that have no need for physical human labor, within our lifetime. Exciting stuff. But I have to ask: Can this thing fight queen xenomorphs? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWJDtVmGenc

I feel like, for a long while, you'd still need people to clean the place, to maintain the robots, install new equipment. There's also going to be occasional messes. Box was badly taped, falls apart, shampoo bottles get crushed on the floor, etc. Also, if you have a robot that puts things in boxes, you need someone to restock the boxes, unless you have another special-purpose robot just for that too.

I'm sure we can eventually have truly general-purpose robots, but in the mean time, I'm kind of skeptical about how much cost and labor these things are going to save. Not to say this isn't impressive or cool, just saying that a completely fully automated warehouse is still pretty far away.

Re: Boston Dynamics Unveils New Robot for Warehouse Automation

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It's not difficult to imagine ultra-efficient warehouses that have no need for physical human labor, within our lifetime. Exciting stuff. But I have to ask: Can this thing fight queen xenomorphs? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWJDtVmGenc

Harder to imagine a society in which we have no need for jobs though Unless we get something like UBI we'll always need shitty job to keep people busy. Automation for the sake of automation doesn't bring much if 70% of the population is still working 8 hours a day 5 days a week on more and more useless tasks. This isn't even talking about the fact that we're increasing productivity per unit of time but never reducing…

> Unless we get something like UBI we'll always need shitty job to keep people busy

I find myself often making this assumption too, but I wonder if it's warranted? A "shit" job is often shorthand for a job you can grab someone off the street and more or less have them start working, an "unskilled" job. But the fact that pretty much anyone can do a job isn't the same as saying that someone doing a "shit" job is only capable of that kind of work.

What if we did get to a point where nearly all the tedious, unskilled jobs were done by machines -- what exactly is the barrier to taking all the humans previously doing those jobs and leveling them up to do jobs machines can't do as well? I don't think it's human capability -- I'm quite skeptical of the idea that there's whole classes of people actually _unable_ to learn skills needed for better work. It seems the barrier is that generally it's not economically beneficial to do so -- training takes time and money. But if that's actually the problem, then its not an overall lack of money, it's a distribution question.

Perhaps it's because I'm watching The Expanse now and remember the books, but I'm not completely sold on UBI. I think it gives up on the idea that masses of people can work better jobs. As a supplementary income program I can see it working, but as a replacement for having any job at all I'm not sure I'm on board.

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