The Antiscience Movement Is Escalating, Going Global and Killing Thousands

Post by rriepe » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 1:23 PM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #58

rriepe wrote: post #50

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I call it "Science with a capital S." It seeks to find and destroy an outgroup, always, like a bad cult. It portrays non-believers as harmful. There's no exceptions. Outsiders are always portrayed as dangerous with many lives at stake. It's never about the science but about rooting out the people who disagree. It's purely a political movement and has almost nothing to do with science. As a religion, it's the worst re…

Science as a religion is known as "scientism". (A greentext user was posting this valid point and seems to have been zapped)

Post by [deleted] » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 1:24 PM UTC

djrogers wrote: post #52

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Anti-vax took a weird twist over the past decade. It used to be a hippie-liberal notion, heavily informed by being anti-corporate anti-big-pharma. But it became more mainstream and cross-party when endorsed by celebrities, and then cross-fertilized with the anti-science anti-government Republican party. I'm sure the crunchy-granola antivaxers are still out there, but they were a fringe group and remain a fringe group…

> But for the GOP it's mainstream. No, it's really not. It's only mainstream in the GOP if you get your news from the left - if you associate with and listen to people on both sides of the aisle, you realize that it's a fringe element on both sides.

Post by radiospiel » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 1:25 PM UTC

eric_b wrote: post #57

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> possible, and worth the risk, to open schools for younger children Could you elaborate on this? It seems to be clear that while children themselves are relatively unscathed, they spread the virus among themselves and to their family members quite effectively.

I mean, Google will tell you everything you need to know: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-br... > Based on the data available, in-person learning in schools has not been associated with substantial community transmission. Although national COVID-19 case incidence rates among children and adolescents have risen over time, this trend parallels trends observed among adults.17 Increases in case…

Post by maxehmookau » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 1:26 PM UTC

brigandish wrote: post #31

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Something about a lie making it half way across the world before the truth can get its boots on. We, as a general population, have proven that completely uncensored speech gives way too much weight to ideas that have no merit.

Quite the opposite. We proved that the imposition of “acceptable” information and censorship to protect it holds back societies, and can see that those with greater freedoms do better economically and otherwise.

Post by sleepysysadmin » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 1:27 PM UTC

StavrosK wrote: post #40

dilap wrote: post #27

This conflates "official positions of authorities" with "science". It's like a modern religion, with three tenets: (1) science made everything around us (iPhones and airplanes!) (2) we speak for science (3) therefore you must believe our conclusions. But in fact, that's the opposite of a proper scientific attitude, which always admits doubt, and believes experiment over authority. As for why authorities are increasin…

The mask thing was a Noble Lie to prevent PPE shortages: https://noahpinion.substack.com/p/yes-experts-will-lie-to-yo... I agree that that erodes trust, but it was for "a reason".