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Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by 3np »

nathanyukai wrote: post #8
hntroll666 wrote: post #3

That's what the CCP always does: invade, stick their tentacles into every possible crevice, cut off any avenues by which it might lose power, and begin tightening and strangling, over the screaming protests of the local people. They did it in Tibet, they're doing it in Xinjiang, they're doing it in Hong Kong. They plan to do the same thing in Taiwan.

what do you mean by invade? Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong are undoubtedly belongs to China. Sure the tightening is not good in a lot of ways, but I keep seeing the western media trying to convince the world that these regions should be 'independent', I wonder why they are doing that.

The "undoubtedly belong to China" is the narrative from the CCP and not shared by many, especially peoples living in and native to those regions.

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by Mauricebranagh »

nathanyukai wrote: post #8
hntroll666 wrote: post #3

That's what the CCP always does: invade, stick their tentacles into every possible crevice, cut off any avenues by which it might lose power, and begin tightening and strangling, over the screaming protests of the local people. They did it in Tibet, they're doing it in Xinjiang, they're doing it in Hong Kong. They plan to do the same thing in Taiwan.

what do you mean by invade? Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong are undoubtedly belongs to China. Sure the tightening is not good in a lot of ways, but I keep seeing the western media trying to convince the world that these regions should be 'independent', I wonder why they are doing that.

Tibet was independent before it was taken over by force

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by nathanyukai »

krageon wrote: post #9
nathanyukai wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what do you mean by invade? Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong are undoubtedly belongs to China. Sure the tightening is not good in a lot of ways, but I keep seeing the western media trying to convince the world that these regions should be 'independent', I wonder why they are doing that.

It's a concerted propaganda effort that is unfortunately not helped by the multitudes of people that uncritically accept their home country's stance on everything.

I personally don't uncritically accept the tightening rules that is happening in the recent years, but I just like to point out that it's also a concerted propaganda effort that western media just gang up on China's issues, they don't really care about human rights but are using it a political weapon.

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Post by tibbydudeza »

ladyanita22 wrote: post #6
xwolfi wrote: post #4

I m in HK and I don't know what to think. Between protestors destroying the streets like monkeys and the country punishing everyone using this as an excuse, we're well surrounded :D Hong Kong shouldn't be independent but is China the right country for us, is how I jokingly troll both extremes. End of the day nobody cares, we're still discussing who elect the mayor of the city and people are talking like we're losing…

You'd be better off in the UK.

Only if you have millions , they are definitely not interested in poor HK folk that are living in cage homes.

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Post by smallhands »

hntroll666 wrote: post #10
nathanyukai wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what do you mean by invade? Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong are undoubtedly belongs to China. Sure the tightening is not good in a lot of ways, but I keep seeing the western media trying to convince the world that these regions should be 'independent', I wonder why they are doing that.

What do I mean by invade? Simply ask anyone in Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong, or Taiwan, if they want mainland Chinese there, or if they want to be governed by the CCP. I accept that territory is won or lost, and the Tibetans and Uyghurs lost their territory, but they were definitely invaded and conquered.

territory is won or lost !??

so Japanese war crimes in china is ok too because japan actually invaded and conquered china !

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes

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Post by yazaddaruvala »

smallhands wrote: post #16
hntroll666 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do I mean by invade? Simply ask anyone in Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong, or Taiwan, if they want mainland Chinese there, or if they want to be governed by the CCP. I accept that territory is won or lost, and the Tibetans and Uyghurs lost their territory, but they were definitely invaded and conquered.

territory is won or lost !?? so Japanese war crimes in china is ok too because japan actually invaded and conquered china ! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes

Territory is won and lost by physical violence. This is the history of every nation.

None of that excuses current or historic war crimes. Why is your comment relevant?

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by sterlind »

op03 wrote: post #7

Next up Taiwan.

Taiwan will be a bigger deal geopolitically. PRC has no claim to Taiwan that's recognized by the broader international community (outside China's sphere of influence, anyway.) Under Westphalian rules Hong Kong is seen as an internal matter, but Taiwan would be a straight-up war. Plus it would absolutely wreck the semiconductor industry worldwide to lose TSMC.

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Post by hardlianotion »

tibbydudeza wrote: post #15
ladyanita22 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd be better off in the UK.

Only if you have millions , they are definitely not interested in poor HK folk that are living in cage homes.

The criterion is to hold a BNO passport. You don't have to be a millionaire for that. Three million Hong Kongers are eligible.

Re: China passes Hong Kong “patriot” election law

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Post by fat-chunk »

hntroll666 wrote: post #3

That's what the CCP always does: invade, stick their tentacles into every possible crevice, cut off any avenues by which it might lose power, and begin tightening and strangling, over the screaming protests of the local people. They did it in Tibet, they're doing it in Xinjiang, they're doing it in Hong Kong. They plan to do the same thing in Taiwan.

We can all disapprove of what the current CCP is doing, but you cannot compare Hong Kong's situation to Taiwan, Tibet or Xinjiang, in fact you're muddling a bunch of completely different situations.

Hong Kong has historically always been a part of "China", you could say it was "invaded" by the British and then the Japanese during WW2.

I obviously disapprove of the suppression of the HK populace with force, but this is no different to how the CCP operate in the rest of China. If anything the British mandated China had to apply different rules to a portion of their own territory, in classic imperialist fashion.

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