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Amazon security staff reported its own tweets as “suspicious,” fearing hack

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Post by ehaughee »

ummonk wrote: post #204
ehaughee wrote: post #150

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This ticket wasn't an encrypted ticket (and thus was not locked down). I'm looking at it right now and I have nothing to do with security nor PR. I don't find this surprising as it contains no proprietary, classified, or customer information.

There is potentially traceable information there including laptop browser extensions as well as phone camera specs. I'm not sure how doxxable it is but if the Intercept were exercising appropriate caution they wouldn't have published the photo.

Sorry, I wasn't trying to dispute your statement on the Intercept's actions. I was just pointing out that the ticket wasn't any more secret or locked down than any normal ticket and thus a large swath of the company had access (although the ticket has since been made private), not a highly restricted distribution list.

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Post by QuixoticQuibit »

d1zzy wrote: post #243
AlexandrB wrote: post #53

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It's not surprising. The biggest danger of having tremendous wealth and/or power seems to be that you can no longer accept and integrate valid criticism from others.

Which seems to apply to some of our politicians too. Like the reply from Elizabeth Warren saying that maybe Amazon should be split up because then maybe they wouldn't have time to criticize elected officials. Or otherwise "stop criticizing me or I'll make you hurt". Not very nice coming from a political figure in a democracy. I did find Amazon's responses to be tone deaf at best (mostly just disagreeing with them) bu…

You’re clearly not being charitable to her if you read her tweet and thought she meant Amazon has to be broken up because their tweets are snarky towards her. She’s saying that Big Tech in general is so powerful—they can do whatever they want—and then snap back at politicians in snarky tweets without a care.

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Post by Rule35 »

munk-a wrote: post #241
throwawaysea wrote: post #184

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What if 80% of drivers don’t do this? Maybe the other 20% need to just get a different job if they aren’t able to avoid under performance without resorting to time saving tricks.

I think the percentages need work since if 20% of the tens of thousands of drivers you employ/contract do a thing then clearly your hiring policies are pretty terrible. If you worked as a dev and 20% of your co-workers end up committing corporate espionage then the place you work is almost certainly Los Alamos. But I get your point - the issue, I think, is that under-performance in a job role should be a rarity. You…

> A business can essentially hold you hostage with the US unemployment system

Thankfully we're talking about contractors and none of that is the case.

> I think the percentages need work since if 20% of the tens of thousands of drivers you employ/contract do a thing then clearly your hiring policies are pretty terrible.

Not employees, they weren't hired. And the contractors aren't promised anything, they're given a chance to prove themselves.

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Post by Rule35 »

ziddoap wrote: post #207
Rule35 wrote: post #97

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> That person is likely to be fired. Umm, yeah. They dumped a bottle of piss outside a customers house. That's bad advertising. Or, possibly, it's intended to be good union advertising. But either way, that person has got to go. So many dishonest people downvoting. Probably unionists. We know that this case hangs on the difference between contractors and employees, and that even if employees unionize the contractors…

Finding your viewpoint disagreeable does not make one dishonest or a "unionist".

But downvoting me because I'm not wrong, but "disagreeable" (read, correct) is dishonest.

And no, causation seems to run the other way, apparently being a unionist makes you dishonest.

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Post by refurb »

fotta wrote: post #25

> According to Recode, the suspicious tweets in fact came at the behest of Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos, who had recently conveyed disappointment to Amazon officials that the company was not pushing back against criticisms that he considered misleading. > But company personnel think Amazon’s aggressive actions on Twitter are “embarrassing.” It's amazing how tone-deaf Bezos sounds.

It's tone deaf to push back against criticisms that are misleading?

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Post by refurb »

bredren wrote: post #20

We had a driver pour out a bottle of pee directly onto the street in front of our place from his open driver’s side van window on Saturday afternoon. My wife got a photo and then immediately after they delivered packages and left I went and took a photo because I couldn’t believe it. I had not heard about the controversy until then, but my wife had been following it. I read these tweets and I also didn’t believe they…

Ever heard of "trucker bombs"? There is nothing stopping a truck driver from stopping for pee breaks. They choose not to to save time.

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Post by ModernMech »

andonisus wrote: post #238
calcifer wrote: post #196

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> I am of the opinion that all truckers (or people in the delivery profession) pee in bottles to save time, not just Amazon drivers. What is your opinion based on? A hunch? Random number generator? Your star sign? Maybe your horoscope? > Why is Amazon being singled out here? That's a strawman, nobody is singling out this company. Everyone is talking about Amazon because they publicly denied this ever happens from an…

My opinion is based on this generally being a thing that delivery drivers choose to do. It has been true of long-haul truckers for quite some time (many of them would even take Meth just so they could drive longer and log more miles).

My father did local delivery for UPS for 30 years. According to him, this is not something he or anyone he knew did, ever (including the long haulers). UPS is unionized, so maybe that has something to do with it. My uncle worked for USPS for 35 years and he has reported the same. So I don't think you can hold up examples of drivers peeing in bottles and taking meth as the status quo when both UPS and USPS don't drive under these conditions. Fedex I'm not sure about because they are all contractors, so they may be under the same pressures as Amazon. But that's all the more reason for Amazon drivers to unionize. I'm sure your could find some horror stories, but this is a pressure the union works explicitly against and it seems effective.

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Post by syspec »

QuixoticQuibit wrote: post #262
d1zzy wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which seems to apply to some of our politicians too. Like the reply from Elizabeth Warren saying that maybe Amazon should be split up because then maybe they wouldn't have time to criticize elected officials. Or otherwise "stop criticizing me or I'll make you hurt". Not very nice coming from a political figure in a democracy. I did find Amazon's responses to be tone deaf at best (mostly just disagreeing with them) bu…

You’re clearly not being charitable to her if you read her tweet and thought she meant Amazon has to be broken up because their tweets are snarky towards her. She’s saying that Big Tech in general is so powerful—they can do whatever they want—and then snap back at politicians in snarky tweets without a care.

But they SHOULD be able to do that. So should small companies without fear of retribution.

The fact that small companies do not, out of fear of retribution by politicians is the actual problem and speaks volumes.

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Post by calcifer »

andonisus wrote: post #238
calcifer wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I am of the opinion that all truckers (or people in the delivery profession) pee in bottles to save time, not just Amazon drivers. What is your opinion based on? A hunch? Random number generator? Your star sign? Maybe your horoscope? > Why is Amazon being singled out here? That's a strawman, nobody is singling out this company. Everyone is talking about Amazon because they publicly denied this ever happens from an…

My opinion is based on this generally being a thing that delivery drivers choose to do. It has been true of long-haul truckers for quite some time (many of them would even take Meth just so they could drive longer and log more miles).

> My opinion is based on this generally being a thing that delivery drivers choose to do.

This sentence says nothing. How do you know this is something that people choose to do?

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