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Amazon security staff reported its own tweets as “suspicious,” fearing hack

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Re: Amazon security staff reported its own tweets as “suspicious,” fearing hack

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Post by deeblering4 »

whoknew1122 wrote: post #115
slickrick216 wrote: post #3

Somewhat off topic but this is actually pretty positive proactive approach to security in the finest spirt of due diligence. It should be ok for people to open tickets to look into curious things no matter how trivial. Tickets don’t have to become incidents. This is what triage is for. The real security incident here is how did the intercept learn of that ticket as that should really be classified.

At Amazon you're encouraged (and expected) to escalate early and escalate often. Amazon security did its job very well. >"The real security incident here is how did the intercept learn of that ticket as that should really be classified." Looks like someone from the security or PR departments took a picture of the ticket with their cellphone and sent them to the reporter. Security tickets are immediately encrypted and…

> At Amazon you're encouraged (and expected) to escalate early and escalate often

One of the many reasons I’d never want to work there

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anonymousab wrote: post #76
jaywalk wrote: post #10

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The article mentions this. And I can understand Bezos getting upset (although the "lies" may be more truthful than he thinks) but the way they chose to respond was worse than doing nothing at all.

You could view it as Bezos or Amazon simply coming to terms with the fact that they are not subject to any rules of decorum, or at any risk from ever failing due to their public actions. That they, as the mega corp, have reached the point of being above society and have no need to be polite or conform to inconvenient social norms anymore.

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Post by marcusverus »

brown9-2 wrote: post #185
BikiniPrince wrote: post #142

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So politicians can just along garbage and lies with no recourse? I wouldn’t roll over for a politician using tweets to garner favor. AOC cost NY tons of money and jobs because no one pushed back on her rhetoric.

Amazon is continuing to hire and grow in NYC, even without HQ2 and the special tax breaks: https://www.cnet.com/news/amazon-continues-expansion-in-new-...

Amazon is adding ~2,000 jobs. That's I understand the aversion to granting tax breaks to big companies, but IMO the whole debacle just looks like NYC politicians are more interested in maintaining their political bona fides, more interested in vague notions about Amazon's 'fair share' than they are in the long term well being of the local economy.

Re: Amazon security staff reported its own tweets as “suspicious,” fearing hack

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Post by b0afc375b5 »

deeblering4 wrote: post #231
whoknew1122 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At Amazon you're encouraged (and expected) to escalate early and escalate often. Amazon security did its job very well. >"The real security incident here is how did the intercept learn of that ticket as that should really be classified." Looks like someone from the security or PR departments took a picture of the ticket with their cellphone and sent them to the reporter. Security tickets are immediately encrypted and…

> At Amazon you're encouraged (and expected) to escalate early and escalate often One of the many reasons I’d never want to work there

Maybe I'm missing something, but why is escalating early and often a bad idea? Isn't that just part of being a responsible adult?

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Post by andonisus »

z3c0 wrote: post #205
tclancy wrote: post #193

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I am so confused by the set of responses based on the idea "Well, lots of other people have awful working conditions, why are we picking on this particular billion dollar corporation?"

It's very much "whataboutism". Best case, it's tonedeaf and overly-dismissive. Worst case, it's a deliberate distraction. I try to follow Hanlon's Razor, so I'll go with the best case and just assume these people are unempathtic contrarians, instead of corporate shills.

It's not whataboutism at all. I am genuinely curious, why now and why Amazon? People did not just decide to start peeing in bottles when working for Amazon, it has been happening long before.

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Post by andonisus »

tclancy wrote: post #193
andonisus wrote: post #75

I am of the opinion that all truckers (or people in the delivery profession) pee in bottles to save time, not just Amazon drivers. Why is Amazon being singled out here? I suppose the argument is that it is caused by their aggressive delivery metrics and policies, but would t this be true of any shipping company? If drivers are incentivized to by the number of packages they deliver to meet bonuses or certain payouts,…

I am so confused by the set of responses based on the idea "Well, lots of other people have awful working conditions, why are we picking on this particular billion dollar corporation?"

I honestly don't believe that choosing to pee in a bottle while driving for delivery constitutes "awful working conditions".

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Post by andonisus »

calcifer wrote: post #196
andonisus wrote: post #75

I am of the opinion that all truckers (or people in the delivery profession) pee in bottles to save time, not just Amazon drivers. Why is Amazon being singled out here? I suppose the argument is that it is caused by their aggressive delivery metrics and policies, but would t this be true of any shipping company? If drivers are incentivized to by the number of packages they deliver to meet bonuses or certain payouts,…

> I am of the opinion that all truckers (or people in the delivery profession) pee in bottles to save time, not just Amazon drivers. What is your opinion based on? A hunch? Random number generator? Your star sign? Maybe your horoscope? > Why is Amazon being singled out here? That's a strawman, nobody is singling out this company. Everyone is talking about Amazon because they publicly denied this ever happens from an…

My opinion is based on this generally being a thing that delivery drivers choose to do. It has been true of long-haul truckers for quite some time (many of them would even take Meth just so they could drive longer and log more miles).

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Post by andonisus »

mullingitover wrote: post #217
andonisus wrote: post #75

I am of the opinion that all truckers (or people in the delivery profession) pee in bottles to save time, not just Amazon drivers. Why is Amazon being singled out here? I suppose the argument is that it is caused by their aggressive delivery metrics and policies, but would t this be true of any shipping company? If drivers are incentivized to by the number of packages they deliver to meet bonuses or certain payouts,…

> Why is Amazon being singled out here? "Amazon forces warehouse workers to pee in bottles" was a thing two years ago. I haven't heard of this being a common thing outside anecdotal accounts, and looking at the amazon employees subreddits it sounded like it was overblown. Amazon responded forcefully to that claim in their tweet, and was subsequently hit with a 'gotcha!' when the drivers were reported to be doing it.…

Thank you, that is exactly my point. The claim that had been going around was warehouse workers doing it, but now we see that it is delivery drivers. My point is that all manner of long-haul delivery drivers choose to do this, not just those that work for Amazon.

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Post by stickfigure »

lstamour wrote: post #189
stickfigure wrote: post #156

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> I do not agree that there will always be drivers who prefer to pee in a bottle Nonsense. I know people who would rather pee in a bottle than wait for the next gas station on the I5. I personally have pissed on the sides of roads in lots of places on long car trips. Dumping urine in an urban environment is pretty rude. But if I could save myself 10 mins a day by pissing in a bottle rather than some creepy gas statio…

Do you work in a job where you can't stop the clock for 10 minutes to take care of bodily functions? The only choices here are between getting penalized for lateness, pissing in a bottle, or finding a new job, and they amount to the same thing - bottle or new job. Plus it's absolutely disgusting. I think if it were personal choice alone, people would be more discreet. This story implies they're so pressed for time th…

You have no idea what was in the mind of the driver, but you're passing pretty strong judgement.

> Plus it's absolutely disgusting.

This is what it really comes down to - your victorian sensibilities about bodily fluids can't possibly imagine that anyone would gasp OMG pee in a bottle! unless the alternative is starvation or whippings.

There are plenty of people who don't feel this way. Hell, I'm sitting outside with a flush toilet less than 100 ft from me and I just pissed on a tree instead. It's just piss.

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