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Amazon security staff reported its own tweets as “suspicious,” fearing hack

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Re: Amazon security staff reported its own tweets as “suspicious,” fearing hack

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Post by vineyardmike »

danso wrote: post #68
gkoberger wrote: post #33

My read on this was that it was a snarky report done in protest. Ken Klippenstein is a troll who does things with a straight face, and likely so are people who leak to him. I don't think anyone really believed it was hacked, but rather it was a way to criticize it with plausible deniability.

The article includes a screenshot: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/20532639/amazon-t... Seems like a lot of detail (e.g. going back through the past 2 months of tweets to check the source label) for just a "hey this sucks!" protest. Also, seems risky to send a screenshot of your own ticket while logged into the ticket system, though maybe all the login template info is just outside of the cropped screensho…

>Seems like a lot of detail (e.g. going back through the past 2 months of tweets to check the source label) for just a "hey this sucks!" protest.

FWIW, this is how much detail i'd put in for the plausible deniability "this sucks" protest if that were me.

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Post by gaspard234 »

BikiniPrince wrote: post #142
bstar77 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, I just checked that out and I don't know what to say. Bold move to troll politicians so brazenly.

So politicians can just along garbage and lies with no recourse? I wouldn’t roll over for a politician using tweets to garner favor. AOC cost NY tons of money and jobs because no one pushed back on her rhetoric.

> no one pushed back on her rhetoric.

This is absolutely false. Fox news is practically obsessed with her[0]. I heard various talking heads on all types of media talking about how she didn't know anything about 'business', most mocking her past job as a bartender.

I'm not a huge fan of any politician but you probably picked the worst example, she can't post a tweet without the right wing media machine raising hell. During the last election she was also primaried hard, and some of the biggest criticisms were here anti-business/amazon stances.

[0]https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2019/04/14/study-fox-...

Re: Amazon security staff reported its own tweets as “suspicious,” fearing hack

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Post by throwawaysea »

xmprt wrote: post #121
Rule35 wrote: post #104

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Amazon's drivers are contractors if anyone is pushing them to pee in bottles, it's themselves. So there's no actual answer to this issue. Are they not being paid enough, such that they can't pee, or are they making an reasonable decision to pee in a bottle in order to save 15 minutes and make more money. Considering they keep taking the contracts one has to assume that they're profitable, at least usually. > I can't…

The issue with blaming contractors in this case is that they can't afford to lose the job. It probably pays well enough but their options are 1. get fired because they couldn't meet target deadlines, 2. pee in a bottle and risk getting caught. Given those two options, it's no surprise they pick option 2. Amazon knows this yet they continue to set unrealistic targets.

How do you know they are setting “unrealistic targets”? What if only some employees pee in bottles because they’re bad at their job/unproductive? Why would it be Amazon’s fault if a driver who’s falling behind uses this as a hack to appear productive when they really should just get a different job?

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Post by throwawaysea »

munk-a wrote: post #119
Rule35 wrote: post #113

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That driver was a contractor, deciding to pee in his own bottle. He chose to take more packages than he could deliver and is rushing to cut corners. As well as conspicuously dumping piss outside customer houses he probably speeds through school zones. Contractors don't get a wage, that's key to this whole discussion. And if contractors don't make a profit they shouldn't take the contract. This kerfuffle is in the mid…

What if that level of "too many packages" is the only way the driver could avoid getting a demerit for under performance? What if a livable wage is only possible if you quote more packages than is reasonable due to the intense pressure amazon has on the contract delivery market?

What if 80% of drivers don’t do this? Maybe the other 20% need to just get a different job if they aren’t able to avoid under performance without resorting to time saving tricks.

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Post by brown9-2 »

BikiniPrince wrote: post #142
bstar77 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, I just checked that out and I don't know what to say. Bold move to troll politicians so brazenly.

So politicians can just along garbage and lies with no recourse? I wouldn’t roll over for a politician using tweets to garner favor. AOC cost NY tons of money and jobs because no one pushed back on her rhetoric.

Amazon is continuing to hire and grow in NYC, even without HQ2 and the special tax breaks: https://www.cnet.com/news/amazon-continues-expansion-in-new-...

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Post by wdb »

Rule35 wrote: post #104
bredren wrote: post #70

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Another option was sending it to media, which I presumed would have gotten attention. I thought the person had a better chance of holding on to the job if it was handled without publicity. I don't have a lab, so I can't determine if it was pee. And I can't imagine you'd get to hold on to a job at Target if you poured pee out in the parking lot in front of customers. Our friend with the USPS said "[at USPS] we’re allo…

Amazon's drivers are contractors if anyone is pushing them to pee in bottles, it's themselves. So there's no actual answer to this issue. Are they not being paid enough, such that they can't pee, or are they making an reasonable decision to pee in a bottle in order to save 15 minutes and make more money. Considering they keep taking the contracts one has to assume that they're profitable, at least usually. > I can't…

I have heard similar complains from bus drivers that don't have time to have a toilet break, see: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=nl&tl=en&u=https:/...

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Post by Tostino »

throwawaysea wrote: post #183
xmprt wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue with blaming contractors in this case is that they can't afford to lose the job. It probably pays well enough but their options are 1. get fired because they couldn't meet target deadlines, 2. pee in a bottle and risk getting caught. Given those two options, it's no surprise they pick option 2. Amazon knows this yet they continue to set unrealistic targets.

How do you know they are setting “unrealistic targets”? What if only some employees pee in bottles because they’re bad at their job/unproductive? Why would it be Amazon’s fault if a driver who’s falling behind uses this as a hack to appear productive when they really should just get a different job?

We have reports from the workers stating so. We also have a denial from Amazon saying they don't have workers peeing in bottles. Seems that denial hasn't held up too well.

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Post by fshbbdssbbgdd »

tmpz22 wrote: post #60
aero-glide2 wrote: post #55

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Actually was glad to see a corporation tweeting what its actual intentions were.

But doesn’t their post qualify as gaslighting? The tweets said peeing in bottles due to extreme performance quotas does not happen and it very very clearly happens all the time.

Seems more like simple lying.

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Post by lstamour »

stickfigure wrote: post #156
AlwaysRock wrote: post #140

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Um... I do not agree that there will always be drivers who prefer to pee in a bottle. I do not believe that there are office/home workers who always prefer to pee in bottles. The alternative is access to bathrooms. There are a lot of solutions to this problem. The same type of solutions any company that employees drivers have had for years.

> I do not agree that there will always be drivers who prefer to pee in a bottle Nonsense. I know people who would rather pee in a bottle than wait for the next gas station on the I5. I personally have pissed on the sides of roads in lots of places on long car trips. Dumping urine in an urban environment is pretty rude. But if I could save myself 10 mins a day by pissing in a bottle rather than some creepy gas statio…

Do you work in a job where you can't stop the clock for 10 minutes to take care of bodily functions? The only choices here are between getting penalized for lateness, pissing in a bottle, or finding a new job, and they amount to the same thing - bottle or new job. Plus it's absolutely disgusting. I think if it were personal choice alone, people would be more discreet. This story implies they're so pressed for time they can't even toss the bottle in the trash because they have to refill it... I can't even begin to imagine how that becomes a normal everyday activity at a company without somebody questioning how things got this way.

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Post by lstamour »

munk-a wrote: post #138
toast0 wrote: post #128

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> the answer will be it was a rogue employee and he has been let go (or disciplined, if he's lucky Rogue contractor.

Rogue contractor who has had sexual misconduct charges leveled at them for urinating in public - and let that be a lesson to all you other contractors to stay in line . Hooray dystopias.

stay in line - as in: bring more than one bottle to piss in so you don't have to hastily dump and re-use it? Ick...
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