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Remote work is here to stay – Manhattan may never be the same

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Re: Remote work is here to stay – Manhattan may never be the same

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I’m a bit sad how remote work is likely to hurt my social life I have many close friends that grew out of the intimacy of solving problems together. We could casually hangout IRL after work. Our partners and kids would get to know each other. In turn, that growing trust would feedback into a more positive workplace. It’s not the only way to make friends, but it was an easy way. Now my relationships with coworkers can…

>I have many close friends that grew out of the intimacy of solving problems together

About 20% of them have already drifted off the map for me over the past year. A lot of people seem to have just eventually drifted into introversion once the things to do in the outside world disappeared for long enough. First lockdown didn't matter too much but this second one changed a lot of people.

Lots more people I know casually mentioning suicidal thoughts too, and this is coming from people I'd never expect to hear that from.

Re: Remote work is here to stay – Manhattan may never be the same

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Manhattan will be fine. It's reinvented itself many times before. 100 years ago it was filled with warehouses and factories. Those all left and never came back, and they were renovated into housing and offices. If the offices leave, all those buildings will be renovated into WeWork like spaces (if not WeWork itself) or into more housing. Especially if everyone is working from home, people will want bigger places to r…

> New York is still a cultural center. People will want to live there. New Orleans is also a major cultural center. Some people will pay up to live around culture. But the vast majority of people paying NYC prices are doing so because of access to high paying professional jobs. There's a reason that San Jose is nearly as expensive as NYC. There's not a single major city in the world that survives off culture alone.

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Re: Remote work is here to stay – Manhattan may never be the same

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Most of big companies are for physical offices because it is hard to manage big work force remotely. Listen to JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon https://youtu.be/x8-eUse5hg8?t=413 Things like apprenticeship are impossible to do remotely. Also Zuckerberg is for physical offices for the same reasons Dimon is. Hard to manage, no apprenticeship/internship, no culture. Maybe it is possible for small companies and startups but mana…

> Zuckerberg is for physical offices

That would explain why, as the article mentioned, Facebook has added 1 million square feet of Manhattan office space during the pandemic.

Re: Remote work is here to stay – Manhattan may never be the same

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This is a good thing. Prior to this, we were all lemmings that were told to come into the office, to sit at a desk in front of our laptop or monitor, and type away at a keyboard.

The 2 hour daily round trip commute would wear us down. It would increase pollution and oil consumption. It would congest traffic, and city transportation services could not add enough roads, buses, trains, and subways fast enough to handle the load.

And it would get everyone sick, as everyone always caught a variant of the seasonal flu.

Now, we can all work safely from home. Just Zoom In and instant virtual meeting. Daily stand ups are a breeze. No need to schedule a small conference room that might be in overbooked availability.

It separates those that creates tools and products for business, vs those that consumes such tools to build further analytical results.

The greatest thing for me, is that I have not gotten sick in over a year. No flu. No cold. No sniffles. Incredible. Even if I worked late into the night, and on some days, I had little sleep, I still didn’t get sick. This proves to me, that the greatest vector of disease transmission is in the office. And probably the open office concept, that forced everyone into the same pig pen, and got everyone sick together.

America has enough land mass to handle the 350 million people that we have. It’s better to spread out. Instead of cramming us all in to small cities.

Perhaps hot cities like Phoenix or Houston or Austin can finally bloom, because of this pandemic. They can work remotely during the daytime, in their nice air conditioned homes. And then at night, they can go out and socialize in the city with their friends and families, or make new friends.

We can imagine a newer and better reality for all. We just need the courage and will to do it. Or maybe, we just needed a little push from a little virus to make us think a different way.

Re: Remote work is here to stay – Manhattan may never be the same

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post #30

Less people in dense Manhattan offices will reduce the value of the real estate. Presumably if it's a long term trend then more of it will convert to be residential. This would bring less people by day than full offices, but probably more people by night. It still allows for a pretty vibrant city.

> if it's a long term trend then more of it will convert to be residential

Converting an office building to residential use isn't easy. For example, you'd have to add water/sewage lines running to each residential unit.

Also, in NYC, apartments are required to have a certain number of windows. In a large office building, there can be a lot of floor space that's far from any windows.

Re: Remote work is here to stay – Manhattan may never be the same

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At this point, I see two contrasting points being made again and again across different publications. Articles lobbied by firms with interest in real estate are all about how people are tired of remote work and how post-Covid world will be much like the pre-Covid world. And the other lobbied by firms with interest in technology are all raving about remote work being the new normal.

I think as usual when it comes to complex issues involving many people the truth will be somewhere in the middle. At the very least COVID has forced managers to get acquainted with managing remote teams — even if the team won’t be 100% remote a year from now, I can very well imagine a 3/2 or even 4/1 split between on site or WFH.

Re: Remote work is here to stay – Manhattan may never be the same

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Manhattan will be fine. It's reinvented itself many times before. 100 years ago it was filled with warehouses and factories. Those all left and never came back, and they were renovated into housing and offices. If the offices leave, all those buildings will be renovated into WeWork like spaces (if not WeWork itself) or into more housing. Especially if everyone is working from home, people will want bigger places to r…

lol - it will be interesting to see how much of the “culture” returns after the fiascos of last year.

What fiascos do you mean?

I'd also wager that the people eager to leave NYC are not necessarily the same people heavily engaged in creating culture and innovation.

Re: Remote work is here to stay – Manhattan may never be the same

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> Imagine a world where you might once again say hello to your neighbours When people complain about social isolation, that still doesn’t necessarily mean that they want to interact with their neighbours. It could just mean that they want to be able to interact with people who, they know for sure, share the same hobbies and interests and (in polarized countries) the same political and social views. One of the suppose…

> Imagine a world where you might once again say hello to your neighbours That world never went away. It's just a couple tax brackets below the typical HN user.

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Re: Remote work is here to stay – Manhattan may never be the same

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No, that world definitely went away in some places, even for the urban poor. For instance, residents of apartment blocks in the large Finnish cities today typically don't know their neighbors. (In fact, some would even consider it a faux pas to leave the flat without first checking through the peephole to see if someone else is in the corridor. This is because it could make both you and your neighbor uncomfortable if…

You're right, it did go away for the poor who are thoroughly under the thumb of the wealthy. Many of the less well off residents of (for example) Boston or DC would relate to that sort of "trying to keep your existence on the down low lest you draw the ire of someone who will make your life harder" pattern of action. Places like Cleveland, Buffalo, or anywhere that the local culture if free of thinking highly of the…

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Re: Remote work is here to stay – Manhattan may never be the same

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post #64

It's even more pronounced in SF, and it's probably the best thing that has happened to the city in decades, minus the obvious catastrophe of the pandemic itself. A nice studio apartment in a decent neighborhood can be had now for $1500; something unthinkable a year ago. Hopefully this can help start to revitalize the city's culture into something more than a monolithic tech frat party.

Where are you finding places for $1500? I'm seeing most stuff around the $2000 range.

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