Score one for Boskalis. Those tugs are very impressive.
Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated
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Re: Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated
#432Earlier quoted context omitted.
This makes me question that shouldn't we have another canal built? Like if so much of the world's economy depends on this route shouldn't we build an extra canal to speed up the transportation and also act as a redundancy
I'm a layman, but it seems like there are probably other preventative measures that are way cheaper. A Bloomberg article ( https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-27/how-a-des... ) says the speed limit was 7.6 to 8.6 knots but the Ever Given was traveling at 13.5 knots. So maybe they need to start enforcing that limit. Reportedly this was during high winds, so they could also reduce the speed limit even furth…
As is standard for canal transit, the Evergiven was piloted by a Suez pilot at the time of the accident. Because this ship's main steering force comes from the rudder, it has more force when it goes faster. Maybe they even accelerated to counter the strong winds.
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#433Earlier quoted context omitted.
The ship will still likely be anchored for hull inspection, perhaps in Bitter Lake. That may take a couple of days at best, and an indefinite stranding if serious problems are discovered. Also crew change is likely because of on-going investigations, and that will be tricky with the on-going mariner crunch. There's not a lot who are qualified to run a ULCV, especially one straight out of an accident.
In the past ships already got stuck on the Bitter Lake - for quite some time! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Fleet
I think those were unloaded during the ‘delay’. If they weren’t, I guess the Wikipedia page would have mentioned something about life on the Münsterland, carrying eggs and fruit.
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#434I wonder how much the couple of excavators helped. I saw people on HN saying having two measly excavators was just to give the appearance of doing something and not an actual attempt to get the boat unstuck. But when I saw a photo of the digging, it looked like there was some serious progress made.
Measly in comparison to the ship, but by no means measly in an absolute sense. Those were pretty impressive excavators.
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#435Earlier quoted context omitted.
You say that like they just got unexpectedly lucky, but all mariners are well aware of and take tides into account in their planning.
So your saying they planned to only crash the ship during the high tide? You do realize the canal operates during all tides? So yes, it was absolute luck this accident happed right before the highest tides of the month.
I think you and the other poster are saying different things. You are saying it’s fortunate that a spring tide was coming and you are right. I think grand parent is saying that sailors are well aware of tides and as soon as the ship got stuck they would have been racing to meet the spring tide, which was planning and not luck.
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#436Lots of articles quote a $XXX billion dollars per day figure, but those numbers are normally for "worth of goods delayed" which, while interesting, doesn't tell the story to me. Are there any estimates as to the actual cost of this "mishap", due to e.g. spoilage, financial/contractual repercussions of late deliveries, personnel/fuel costs?
I work on an IoT product, and operations is already talking about potential production delays because of this. There's already a global plastic shortage, and this is only going to make things worse.
> There's already a global plastic shortage
Whoa, bad time to be in IoT then, since they're pretty much entirely plastic and a few (also probably short) components!
https://www.recyclingtoday.com/article/plastic-scrap-demand-...
https://www.icis.com/explore/resources/news/2021/03/10/10615...
Re: Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated
#437Earlier quoted context omitted.
There appears to be little "high-end engineering." Just a high tide and a bunch of tug boats.
High end engineering uses the simplest and most cost effective solution to get the job done right. It would have been a mistake to throw expensive, complicated solutions at a problem that had a relatively simple solution.
simple is better than complex!
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#438Earlier quoted context omitted.
After Egypt intentionally blocked the Suez Canal during the Six Day War and an operation was taken to reopen it after the Yom Kippur War it took around 7 months to clear the ships that were scuttled to block it[1]. I would think a cleanup with more modern technology dealing with a ship that wasn't scuttled for the purpose of blockage would take less time. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1974_Suez_Canal_Clearance_Op…
The 1974 operation involved ten ships, the largest of which was 6700 tons. The Ever Given displaces 220,000 tons. It's an entirely different beast.
Its large, but its size is limited by sues canal. Ships could be much larger if they were designed for a different route.
Re: Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated
#439Lots of articles quote a $XXX billion dollars per day figure, but those numbers are normally for "worth of goods delayed" which, while interesting, doesn't tell the story to me. Are there any estimates as to the actual cost of this "mishap", due to e.g. spoilage, financial/contractual repercussions of late deliveries, personnel/fuel costs?
Probably the actual cost will require an army of accountants and lawyers at a dozen major logistics corporations arguing with each other for months to even try to compute. I doubt us regular uninvolved people will ever get a "real" number. How do you even try to calculate and reveal the cost associated with say a manufacturer in the middle of a supply chain deciding to source their parts from a different vendor for t…
I'm not sure the collective "we" will ever truly know. I'd imagine a LOT of that livestock died and they aren't going to be jumping up and down to volunteer how many/much given the negative PR. If they did divulge that would probably be the easiest jumping off point for hard losses.
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#440Oh hey, they fixed it, - without destroying or imposing significant additional damage to any of the cargo - without destroying or imposing significant additional damage to the ship - without taking multiple weeks - without needing to ship a trillion dollars'+ worth of equipment halfway around the world It's refreshing to see high-end engineering performed so competently.
What I wonder about: how is such a rescue contract negotiated? There is likely willingness to pay, but it is difficult to judge what a reasonable price is, and it may not even be clear who is culpable in advance. Do they have contracts in advance with the shipping companies?
I would imagine a cost plus contract?