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Amazon security staff reported its own tweets as “suspicious,” fearing hack

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Re: Amazon security staff reported its own tweets as “suspicious,” fearing hack

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Post by throwawaysea »

scotu wrote: post #122
Turing_Machine wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regardless of whether Amazon is in the right or wrong on this particular issue, I find it far more disturbing that Warren apparently thinks she should be immune to criticism (whether that criticism is justified or not ). For the record: Amazon, you, me, or anyone else is absolutely entitled to send Elizabeth Warren snotty tweets. Or send her snotty emails. Or make snotty phone calls to her office. She is a public ser…

what did she say in response? I only saw her tweet and amazon's petty (and misleading) response. Who said she cannot be criticized? I think mostly people are saying that they are cringey liars...

She said it herself. See https://twitter.com/amazonnews/status/1375529101931520007 - in there, Warren says "And fight to break up Big Tech so you’re not powerful enough to heckle senators with snotty tweets." That's a direct threat to break up a private entity because it criticized her (a sitting Senator and representative of the federal government).

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Post by munk-a »

bredren wrote: post #20

We had a driver pour out a bottle of pee directly onto the street in front of our place from his open driver’s side van window on Saturday afternoon. My wife got a photo and then immediately after they delivered packages and left I went and took a photo because I couldn’t believe it. I had not heard about the controversy until then, but my wife had been following it. I read these tweets and I also didn’t believe they…

> If the driver had knocked on our door and asked to use our bathroom, I'd have absolutely invited him in. This happened with a Fedex driver once before. That person ended up leaving pee on the seat, which was pretty gross.

What with all the sorts of people in the world, how many folks would've invited them in vs. thinking the driver was weird and potentially reporting the action?

Asking to use your restroom (during pandemic times) seems pretty likely to trigger a customer complaint possibly even one as pleasant as "They were courteous and didn't leave a mess, but why are they being forced to use residential bathrooms, don't they have time off to pee?" - that's a complaint that doesn't reflect poorly on the driver at all but may still end up getting the driver fired if it causes a PR stink.

Without stronger labour laws and without a union drivers are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

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Post by maxerickson »

px43 wrote: post #123
maxerickson wrote: post #92

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Amazon lied about it very publicly. They lied and said they didn't even know about it, and then an avalanche of evidence showing they knew about it was released.

Did they? The tweet I saw was specifically talking about Amazon employees, and last I checked, none of the people driving delivery trucks are in any way employed by Amazon. My understanding was that someone had made the accusation that this was happening in fulfillment centers, which are employees, and Amazon was officially denying it. Amazon DSP drivers are hired and managed completely by third party companies. http…

It's not really that interesting a distinction if the vehicles are literally branded "Amazon" and Amazon is the only customer.

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Post by maxwell »

andonisus wrote: post #75

I am of the opinion that all truckers (or people in the delivery profession) pee in bottles to save time, not just Amazon drivers. Why is Amazon being singled out here? I suppose the argument is that it is caused by their aggressive delivery metrics and policies, but would t this be true of any shipping company? If drivers are incentivized to by the number of packages they deliver to meet bonuses or certain payouts,…

USPS mail carriers do not piss in bottles.

If a manager, or set of metrics, prevented bathroom breaks, that's a major contract violation and would be arbitrated successfully by a competent union steward.

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Post by JeremyBanks »

napoleond wrote: post #125
whoknew1122 wrote: post #115

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At Amazon you're encouraged (and expected) to escalate early and escalate often. Amazon security did its job very well. >"The real security incident here is how did the intercept learn of that ticket as that should really be classified." Looks like someone from the security or PR departments took a picture of the ticket with their cellphone and sent them to the reporter. Security tickets are immediately encrypted and…

> Looks like someone from the security or PR departments took a picture of the ticket with their cellphone and sent them to the reporter. Out of those two groups, Occam's razor implicates the one with a vested interest in currying favor with reporters.

This is a bad take.

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Post by munk-a »

Aunche wrote: post #130
sangnoir wrote: post #106

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> Another option was sending it to media, which I presumed would have gotten attention. I thought the person had a better chance of holding on to the job if it was handled without publicity. Your faith in Amazon to do right is impressive - perhaps even naive. Amazon official policy is not for drivers to pee in bottles, however, it strongly incentivizes this behavior. Had the driver asked to use your bathroom, he like…

> Had the driver asked to use your bathroom, he likely would have lost precious time and have been indirectly penalized for it. What's the alternative? No matter how reasonable the expectations are, there will always be drivers who would rather pee in a bottle and end their shift 10 minutes early than spend 10 minutes finding a bathroom.

That's assuming that their scheduling makes it so that they could actually ever end their shift early. Given how wide-spread this issue is I think it's more fair to assume that taking a 10 minute break would be penalized by Amazon.

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Post by qotgalaxy »

munk-a wrote: post #120
libria wrote: post #83

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Off topic, but I'm curious. Say a human empties a pee bottle on a public sewer drain and a dog pees on that same drain. I don't see much difference except one of them urinated in public. Chemically they're the same, but I'm more repulsed by the human waste, why is that?

Probably because we hold humans to a higher standard than animals - we've all been raised to hold it until it's appropriate which is when we're inside and on a toilet. Some animals can be potty trained, it's a bit weird but good for them - most animals are just trained to not wee on the couch and outdoors is left wide open for them as they need. It's pretty socially acceptable for dogs to pee in public and, if you fo…

Oh, you weren't supposed to know about the squirrel gloryholes.

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Post by munk-a »

toast0 wrote: post #128
sangnoir wrote: post #106

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> Another option was sending it to media, which I presumed would have gotten attention. I thought the person had a better chance of holding on to the job if it was handled without publicity. Your faith in Amazon to do right is impressive - perhaps even naive. Amazon official policy is not for drivers to pee in bottles, however, it strongly incentivizes this behavior. Had the driver asked to use your bathroom, he like…

> the answer will be it was a rogue employee and he has been let go (or disciplined, if he's lucky Rogue contractor.

Rogue contractor who has had sexual misconduct charges leveled at them for urinating in public - and let that be a lesson to all you other contractors to stay in line.

Hooray dystopias.

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Post by agloeregrets »

aero-glide2 wrote: post #55
Raed667 wrote: post #4

For me, the recent (petty) twitter activity of @amazonnews was the final push I needed to cut all ties with Amazon.

Actually was glad to see a corporation tweeting what its actual intentions were.

I got the impression the Bezos himself was tweeting.

Re: Amazon security staff reported its own tweets as “suspicious,” fearing hack

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Post by AlwaysRock »

Aunche wrote: post #130
sangnoir wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Another option was sending it to media, which I presumed would have gotten attention. I thought the person had a better chance of holding on to the job if it was handled without publicity. Your faith in Amazon to do right is impressive - perhaps even naive. Amazon official policy is not for drivers to pee in bottles, however, it strongly incentivizes this behavior. Had the driver asked to use your bathroom, he like…

> Had the driver asked to use your bathroom, he likely would have lost precious time and have been indirectly penalized for it. What's the alternative? No matter how reasonable the expectations are, there will always be drivers who would rather pee in a bottle and end their shift 10 minutes early than spend 10 minutes finding a bathroom.

Um... I do not agree that there will always be drivers who prefer to pee in a bottle. I do not believe that there are office/home workers who always prefer to pee in bottles. The alternative is access to bathrooms.

There are a lot of solutions to this problem. The same type of solutions any company that employees drivers have had for years.

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