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Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated

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Re: Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated

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Post by social_quotient »

ufmace wrote: post #141
JosephRedfern wrote: post #62

Lots of articles quote a $XXX billion dollars per day figure, but those numbers are normally for "worth of goods delayed" which, while interesting, doesn't tell the story to me. Are there any estimates as to the actual cost of this "mishap", due to e.g. spoilage, financial/contractual repercussions of late deliveries, personnel/fuel costs?

Probably the actual cost will require an army of accountants and lawyers at a dozen major logistics corporations arguing with each other for months to even try to compute. I doubt us regular uninvolved people will ever get a "real" number. How do you even try to calculate and reveal the cost associated with say a manufacturer in the middle of a supply chain deciding to source their parts from a different vendor for t…

I'm gonna assume the insurance companies will know by the time this is all over.

Re: Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated

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Post by flatiron »

munificent wrote: post #322
EricE wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

High tide did more than anything. If it had gone beyond Wednesday they likely would have been screwed as the high tide was set to start dropping each day after Tuesday. Good thing they started dredging right away.

You say that like they just got unexpectedly lucky, but all mariners are well aware of and take tides into account in their planning.

You talk about planning about an article about a container ship piloted by professionals ran aground.

Re: Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated

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Post by Denvercoder9 »

dang wrote: post #372

The major threads appear to be: Giant Ship Is Moved To and Fro to Break Suction: Suez Update - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26617430 - March 2021 (229 comments) Ever Given Everywhere - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26617081 - March 2021 (63 comments) Ever Given Ships Erratic Route into Suez Canal - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26603778 - March 2021 (37 comments) Ever Given Container Ship Fan Fi…

Is that ship still stuck? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26585282 - March 2021 (1230 comments)

Re: Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated

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Post by stevula »

JxLS-cpgbe0 wrote: post #352
exikyut wrote: post #90

Oh hey, they fixed it, - without destroying or imposing significant additional damage to any of the cargo - without destroying or imposing significant additional damage to the ship - without taking multiple weeks - without needing to ship a trillion dollars'+ worth of equipment halfway around the world It's refreshing to see high-end engineering performed so competently.

Why wouldn't it be more cost-effective or unreasonable to destroy the ship?

They would still be cleaning up the debris to unblock the canal, shipping would still be blocked.

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Post by EricE »

munificent wrote: post #322
EricE wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

High tide did more than anything. If it had gone beyond Wednesday they likely would have been screwed as the high tide was set to start dropping each day after Tuesday. Good thing they started dredging right away.

You say that like they just got unexpectedly lucky, but all mariners are well aware of and take tides into account in their planning.

So your saying they planned to only crash the ship during the high tide?

You do realize the canal operates during all tides?

So yes, it was absolute luck this accident happed right before the highest tides of the month.

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Post by doogerdog »

They got traffic flowing sooner than I guessed they could. Three container ships and a livestock carrier have left Bitter lake and are entering the channel right now, heading for Suez. The third one in the group is the Ever Globe, the same size as the stuck ship.

I had thought it would take most of today to make sure the channel was clear for the deepest draught vessels. The dredge crews must have done a good job keeping their discharge out of the main channel.

Vesselfinder.com is a hoot to follow for this kind of disaster.

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Post by NicoJuicy »

foxes wrote: post #86

What a surprise it didn’t need nuclear ordinance or building giant elaborate dams or millions of helicopters.

I don't see the problem in guessing what approaches would have been possible in which situation and wondering about it. Learning something new about a topic you wouldn't encounter elsewhere in discussion. Because after all, isn't that why we are here in the first place?

That aside, the idea of raising the water was valid and was ( luckily) available though nature. It wasn't mentioned before it appeared here. See: High tides.

And cofferdams could have been used when the situation was much worse. But the logistics of organizing it would have been painful ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26587692 )

Which is what followed when bringing up: "temporal dams" surrounding the ship. Which is obviously very different than "building giant elaborate dams".

But ofc, not everyone actually reads the things that are said and some just interpret their own prejudice. Degrading the whole discussion.

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Post by baq »

leoh wrote: post #157
exikyut wrote: post #90

Oh hey, they fixed it, - without destroying or imposing significant additional damage to any of the cargo - without destroying or imposing significant additional damage to the ship - without taking multiple weeks - without needing to ship a trillion dollars'+ worth of equipment halfway around the world It's refreshing to see high-end engineering performed so competently.

There appears to be little "high-end engineering." Just a high tide and a bunch of tug boats.

anyone can build a bridge that stands. only an engineer can build a bridge that barely stands.

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Post by dvirsky »

onei wrote: post #334
riverageraldo wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This makes me question that shouldn't we have another canal built? Like if so much of the world's economy depends on this route shouldn't we build an extra canal to speed up the transportation and also act as a redundancy

It's a lot further to dig, but the next best thing would be to dig from the Persian gulf through Iraq, Syria and probably Lebanon. Not forgetting half the Persian Gulf is Iran. It's not exactly the most stable geopolitical area.

I'm not sure there's a path that's flat enough to make it practical even if everything else falls into place somehow.

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Post by CalChris »

creato wrote: post #353
iso1210 wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The canal revenues were down about $15m/day. If it really cost $7b a day, then Egypt is massively undercharging.

Someone else in one of these canal threads said that Egypt charges slightly less than it would cost to sail around Africa. If that's true, that Egypt is probably capturing around as much value as is possible from the canal.

Quite a bit less.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iwOZOb90fM

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