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Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated

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Re: Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated

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Post by vermontdevil »

IgorPartola wrote: post #130
turing_complete wrote: post #117

Good thing hacker news doesn't run large civil engineering projects.

You know, I used to think that HN was a collection of some of the smartest people on the Internet. Don’t get me wrong, there are some incredible people here. But I guess what I have learned over the past 10 years is that HN has as many blind spots as any other online forum. If you want SV advice, this is the place to be. If you want to dislodge a stuck mega ship, look elsewhere.

I enjoy reading all the various ideas people come up to solve a complex issue. I know it's mostly not realistic but always good to see how imagination come forth.

Re: Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated

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Post by _ah »

thisisbrians wrote: post #348
hinkley wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you looked at tug boat propulsion units lately? Those things look like black magic.

You are right, these things are nuts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voith_Schneider_Propeller

Wow this is the coolest thing I've learned this week.

Re: Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated

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Post by pixl97 »

lisper wrote: post #338
DVk6dqsfyx5i3ii wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After Egypt intentionally blocked the Suez Canal during the Six Day War and an operation was taken to reopen it after the Yom Kippur War it took around 7 months to clear the ships that were scuttled to block it[1]. I would think a cleanup with more modern technology dealing with a ship that wasn't scuttled for the purpose of blockage would take less time. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1974_Suez_Canal_Clearance_Op…

The 1974 operation involved ten ships, the largest of which was 6700 tons. The Ever Given displaces 220,000 tons. It's an entirely different beast.

While our ships have grown greatly, so has our ability to salvage them at the same time.

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Post by Judgmentality »

lukifer wrote: post #351
diegocg wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Real economics is boring for most people and the only way to make it attractive to the masses is to be sensationalistic. Mainstream financial news has never been good and never will be.

Real economics includes game-theoretic incentives to distort reality and craft narratives, including framing what is allowed to considered "real economics".

> Real economics includes game-theoretic incentives to distort reality and craft narratives, including framing what is allowed to considered "real economics".

You're not wrong, but you could replace "economics" with almost anything and it would still be a valid (and usually meaningful, although context matters) statement.

> Real engineering includes game-theoretic incentives to distort reality and craft narratives, including framing what is allowed to [be] considered "real engineering"

I mean how else are you going to push back against the clueless PMs who can't be bothered to learn how to code?

> Real art includes game-theoretic incentives to distort reality and craft narratives, including framing what is allowed to be considered "real art"

Of course, how else do you expect to create value for something unique that is not easily priced by the market?

> Real science includes game-theoretic incentives to distort reality and craft narratives, including framing what is allowed to be considered "real science"

I'd say this accurately describes academia. Honestly this last one is eerily insightful.

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Post by lukifer »

airstrike wrote: post #264
dustingetz wrote: post #211

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principle agent problem and always has been ... what’s stunning is that civilization manages to create some amount of value despite this ... imagine what the world would be like if humans learned how to actually cooperate at scale and maximize long term in an antifragile way

In my bedroom as a young teenager I used to think a worldwide event which affected every person equally, like finding life in another planet, would surely usher in a new era of common interest and a shared view that we're all but the same thing: human. I've since turned more cynical and believe that greed is as essential to humanness as empathy, if not more, and without a strong moral code (and fear of being ostraciz…

I had high hopes for a pro-social silver lining around the pandemic as well, but it's simply too distant and indirect (especially given that the outcomes ranged so widely to those infected: from death, to the worst flu ever, to no symptoms at all).

What gives me hope is the fact that our species has altruism at all, even if it isn't as widespread as we would like; it's evidence that cooperation is at least sometimes a competitive advantage. Looking at nature, we see both symbiosis and predation as successful survival strategies. The tension between Good and Evil we will have with us always; the bad news is that Good will never definitively win, but the good news is that neither will Evil.

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Post by mildweed »

Trasmatta wrote: post #140

I honestly love that it was freed using the "boring" solution. No need for any of the crazy solutions people proposed on the internet. Just careful and measured execution of proven techniques.

Choose Boring Technology

Re: Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated

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Post by jandrese »

riverageraldo wrote: post #328
ufmace wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably the actual cost will require an army of accountants and lawyers at a dozen major logistics corporations arguing with each other for months to even try to compute. I doubt us regular uninvolved people will ever get a "real" number. How do you even try to calculate and reveal the cost associated with say a manufacturer in the middle of a supply chain deciding to source their parts from a different vendor for t…

This makes me question that shouldn't we have another canal built? Like if so much of the world's economy depends on this route shouldn't we build an extra canal to speed up the transportation and also act as a redundancy

It should be pointed out that the northern part of the canal has a second canal running parallel. The southern portion is the only part that has only a single passage.

Political instability is definitely a contributing factor to the fragility of the southern corridor.

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