Earlier quoted context omitted.
There appears to be little "high-end engineering." Just a high tide and a bunch of tug boats.
Wow. People here still criticising the solutions the engineers on the scene used?
r/iamverysmart here we come.
Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated
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#312Lots of articles quote a $XXX billion dollars per day figure, but those numbers are normally for "worth of goods delayed" which, while interesting, doesn't tell the story to me. Are there any estimates as to the actual cost of this "mishap", due to e.g. spoilage, financial/contractual repercussions of late deliveries, personnel/fuel costs?
those numbers are normally for "worth of goods delayed" which, while interesting, doesn't tell the story to me Is it just me, but hasn't the mainstream financial news over the years taken on the feel of reality television? The talking heads are usually pushing some sort of narrative . Occasionally, reality overwhelms their ability to spin things, and they have to readjust and do damage control, as sometimes happens t…
They are amazing at knowing why the DJI moved up/down. Just for yesterday though. I think for tomorrow you have to subscribe.
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#313Oh hey, they fixed it, - without destroying or imposing significant additional damage to any of the cargo - without destroying or imposing significant additional damage to the ship - without taking multiple weeks - without needing to ship a trillion dollars'+ worth of equipment halfway around the world It's refreshing to see high-end engineering performed so competently.
Some tug boats did sail in from far away places.
Keeping in mind that the tugs on each side had to come from opposite directions because the canal is blocked, I expect there was a bit of a commute.
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#314Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can get a rough idea by thinking of this as if it were a natural disaster, and from that perspective I think the toll is probably not too bad. No casualties, very little property damage, and a week is not really all that long. However... that is no excuse to shrug this off. We were very, very lucky that it was only a week. The ship could easily have broken in two, which would have been a catastrophe of the first…
The canal revenues were down about $15m/day. If it really cost $7b a day, then Egypt is massively undercharging.
Ha! I never thought I'd see a patio-style charge more to a govt. Only on hn...
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#315Looks like https://istheshipstillstuck.com/ has updated their message!
The website offers related book recommendations. I would also recommend Alex Madrigal’s Containers podcast series. [1] [2] [3] [1]: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/containers/id120955917... "iTunes" [2]: https://soundcloud.com/containersfmg "SoundCloud" [3]: https://www.stitcher.com/show/containers "Stitcher"
Somewhat related is the classic "How to Avoid Huge Ships":
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Avoid-Huge-Ships-John-Trimmer/dp/08...
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#316I honestly love that it was freed using the "boring" solution. No need for any of the crazy solutions people proposed on the internet. Just careful and measured execution of proven techniques.
On the down side, because the solution was so boring, they are likely to learn much less from this experience.
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#317So was the reason the ship became stuck because it was drawing a penis shape in its course path? Or was it getting stuck unrelated?
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#318A bit more detail here [1] and here [2]. A combination of vacuuming sand, high tide, and tugboats did the trick. [1]: https://english.alarabiya.net/News/middle-east/2021/03/29/Su... [2]: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/3/29/ever-given-turned-8...
Is it just me or is the Evergiven listing to port?
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#319Earlier quoted context omitted.
While the Ever Given may not have an issue, the HAJH AMINA which is waiting in the Great Bitter Lake is a livestock carrier that should have been unloading in port yesterday.
Sure but the same principles apply - delays happen, and livestock ships are equipped to keep livestock alive with food and water well stocked in case they can't enter port for days(which again, happens all the time, sometimes papers aren't exactly right and the livestock has to wait on the ship until cleared for offloading)
The shipping of livestock is controversial here in NZ and some (likely high) estimates suggest a death rate of as much as 1 in 10.
The issues are pretty closely tied to conditions at the other end of shipping (feedlots, slaughterhouses etc) as well as the shipping though.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/the-detail/story/2018765098...
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#320Earlier quoted context omitted.
What does such a number mean without context? Imagine a toy example: 2 bakers in a street. John and Jill. John has a heart attack and his bakery is closed for the week. - John gets nothing that week, from his perspective you could say he lost a week of sales - The people in the street lose Johns cakes that week, but most are ok with going to Jill, as they are close enough. 50% go to jill, and the other 50 decide to s…
Not only does Jill gain 50% of John's customers for the week , but let's say that 20% of those customers decide that they actually prefer Jill's goods and stay as customers of Jill even after John has re-opened.
Yes, but some of Jill's customers come at lunch and couldn't afford to wait in the longer lines. Those customers now go to John's having waited a few days to look for an alternative. Jill gets 20% of John's clientele, but John gets more [impatient] customers than ever!
There will probably be some additional flow of customers as people realise they're too lazy to walk to Jill's/John's, Jill's was only better when they were doing the extra trade (freshness), or that Jill's is back to being quicker service (and then you have a chaotic effect as more people drift back the wait time gets longer).
The potential complexities of such simple systems are fascinating.