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Senators Offer to Let NSA Hunt Cyber Actors Inside the US

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Re: Senators Offer to Let NSA Hunt Cyber Actors Inside the US

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When 1 thing happens that can be used to justify encroachment on our privacy congress gets their war cries ready and demands immediate change.

When thousands and thousands of things happen which justify increased police oversight you hear "it's a complicated issue, we should debate it for a few more decades".

Re: Senators Offer to Let NSA Hunt Cyber Actors Inside the US

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It has to be exclusive because the two goals directly conflict with one another. Thus, one of the most common good-government proposals that gets floated in this area is to divide the NSA in two, one group devoted solely to offense, and one devoted solely to defense. At that point, at least you can know whether one group did something wrong. The job of the offense group is to find vulnerabilities, hoard them, and use…

Why is cyber warfare any different from other military efforts? I've never heard of this split of defense and offense in other military realms.

Yes, because a mounted cavalry is incredibly useful as a defensive force in seige warfare.

Re: Senators Offer to Let NSA Hunt Cyber Actors Inside the US

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Charter is irrelevant. The Posse Comitatus Act is the binding doctrine. We used to take this extremely seriously. The gulf between what technical measures are legal in domestic vs foreign interventions is enormous. The reason is simple. No American is ever supposed to be ‘the enemy’.

Posse Comitatus only limits certain limited portions of the military from enforcing domestic policies, such as law enforcement. It does not limit SIGINT collection or other prescribed governmental functions. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act This comment, like the GP comment, serves to illustrate many people hold strong opinions on subjects where those opinions do not align with any evidence.

There was a poster in every SCIF in Afghanistan about this. It at least has to be cleared by civil authorities. Anybody with a US visa, residency, or citizenship. I’m not an expert, but these were the rules we followed.

I don’t know what you’re talking about with ‘evidence’. These are rules of man, not of god or nature.

Re: Senators Offer to Let NSA Hunt Cyber Actors Inside the US

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Posse Comitatus only limits certain limited portions of the military from enforcing domestic policies, such as law enforcement. It does not limit SIGINT collection or other prescribed governmental functions. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act This comment, like the GP comment, serves to illustrate many people hold strong opinions on subjects where those opinions do not align with any evidence.

There was a poster in every SCIF in Afghanistan about this. It at least has to be cleared by civil authorities. Anybody with a US visa, residency, or citizenship. I’m not an expert, but these were the rules we followed. I don’t know what you’re talking about with ‘evidence’. These are rules of man, not of god or nature.

I have visited many SCIFs in Afghanistan and never did I see anything about Posse Comitatus.

Since you mention not knowing what evidence is here is a definition: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence

In short evidence largely means not inventing your own imaginary bullshit.

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