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Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated

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Re: Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated

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Post by zeristor »

kevstev wrote: post #100
rodiger wrote: post #68

Does Evergreen get fined for something like this? Is there enforceable law here? Or just say sorry and life goes on?

Iirc, the actual captain does not pilot through the harbor, there are specific pilots that take your vessel through. So it seems unlikely that there would be any liability to the ship crew or owner.

YouTube video by Cheif Makoi pointed out that the Master of the ship is responsible for any issue caused by the ship, even if commanded by a pilot.

https://youtu.be/ltdHRdtEHE4

Obviously I am not a legal expert

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Post by chrisseaton »

leoh wrote: post #157
exikyut wrote: post #90

Oh hey, they fixed it, - without destroying or imposing significant additional damage to any of the cargo - without destroying or imposing significant additional damage to the ship - without taking multiple weeks - without needing to ship a trillion dollars'+ worth of equipment halfway around the world It's refreshing to see high-end engineering performed so competently.

There appears to be little "high-end engineering." Just a high tide and a bunch of tug boats.

Wow. People here still criticising the solutions the engineers on the scene used?

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Post by srverma »

merely-unlikely wrote: post #274
lisper wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Drama sells better than facts.

Boring, facts and research based industry/financial news exists. But it can cost upwards of a couple hundred thousand dollars per year. If you want real news, you'll have to pay for it.

What are your recommendations for real news? I've heard FT, WSJ, and the economist, and am looking to finally commit and sign up instead of relying on free. You get what you pay for is true in this case, and I don't wanna put drama based narratives in my head, which form my perception of the world.

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Post by HeyLaughingBoy »

pradn wrote: post #207

A great Twitter thread with many articles/resources if you want a critical lens at the global logistics supply chain. https://twitter.com/CharmaineSChua/status/137586855212986368... I found this article on the impact on super-sized ships on logistical infrastructure useful and fascinating. It describes how the creation of ships too big to fit in the Panama canal (post-PANAMAX ships) was received by 1) Panamanians 2)…

>the hydrodynamic effects of these large ships in relatively shallow and narrow canals is underappreciated

I'm really surprised I haven't seen this mentioned. A long time ago, I was trained as a merchant ship's navigation officer. One of the things we were taught (but unfortunately had few opportunities to practice), was using "bank cushion" or "bank suction" to use the hydraulic interaction between the hull and a narrow body of water like a river to navigate tight curves. These days, there are simulations that I'm sure capture these effects to it's easier to get some experience with them.

Of course, in the case of the Ever Given it seems that the grounding was mainly due to not compensating for the strong cross winds.

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Post by stcredzero »

impalallama wrote: post #272
stcredzero wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

those numbers are normally for "worth of goods delayed" which, while interesting, doesn't tell the story to me Is it just me, but hasn't the mainstream financial news over the years taken on the feel of reality television? The talking heads are usually pushing some sort of narrative . Occasionally, reality overwhelms their ability to spin things, and they have to readjust and do damage control, as sometimes happens t…

That's just news to be. Random loose correlation of events plotted into a narrative.

Facts are supposed give rise to an emergent narrative. That is good journalism. What we have in 2021, are people curating facts and only including those that fit their pre-determined narrative.

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Post by SubiculumCode »

justinator wrote: post #205
hanche wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect that many (but not all) of the “crazy” suggestions were a bit tongue-in-cheek.

Which I think is fine? Isn't it fun to imagine how you would unstick a huge boat, even if your idea is totally off the mark due to a bad application of lateral thinking? Be it helium balloons or falcon heavy lifting rockets.

Or ramming another containership into it.

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Post by HeyLaughingBoy »

gameswithgo wrote: post #83
craftinator wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, there were a number of people chiming in who were claiming to be experienced in that area (ex Navy captains, people who did dredging ops, etc). One of the big things that changed the timeline was that the highest tide of the month occurred yesterday; if not, I imagine that ship would be stuck for another month!

Being expert in adjacent domains is sometimes worse than being clueless. The ratio of actual to assumed expertise seems to get worse. Navy captains vs shipping boats, geologists vs climate scientists, programmers vs cpu design, etc etc. You can very easily not understand subtleties, comment on a thing, and then people listen to you .

And the aging of their experience matters. I mentioned upthread that I was trained as a merchant marine officer. However that was three decades ago and while a lot of my training will still apply, industry practices move on and a lot of the stuff I learned is long since outdated. A lot of times I start to type a reply to something relevant and have to smack myself into remembering that things are probably done differently in 2021 :-)

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Post by rebuilder »

merely-unlikely wrote: post #274
lisper wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Drama sells better than facts.

Boring, facts and research based industry/financial news exists. But it can cost upwards of a couple hundred thousand dollars per year. If you want real news, you'll have to pay for it.

What kind of news publication costs several hundred K a year to subscribe to?

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Post by [deleted] »

kevstev wrote: post #100
rodiger wrote: post #68

Does Evergreen get fined for something like this? Is there enforceable law here? Or just say sorry and life goes on?

Iirc, the actual captain does not pilot through the harbor, there are specific pilots that take your vessel through. So it seems unlikely that there would be any liability to the ship crew or owner.

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