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The makers of Eleuther hope it will be an open source alternative to GPT-3

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Re: The makers of Eleuther hope it will be an open source alternative to GPT-3

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Post by rjzzleep »

spideymans wrote: post #4

It'll be interesting to see how colleges and universities react to GPT-3. Students will surely use it to write entire assignments.

Even long before GPT-3 a friend of mine did his thesis with generated text, in an engineering university and received a B. This is 6 years ago. I have my own beefs with thesis' in general already, since 2 thirds of it seems to be filled with redundant text to prove that you went to university. I guess it's a little bit different, since back then he had to actually work to generate it and now it's a lot easier

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Post by isolli »

everdrive wrote: post #2

People already believe garbage at a pretty alarming rate. It's easy to guess at a number of possible outcomes here: - More junk text moves the public to doubt legitimate information even further than they currently do. - There is so much human-generated junk text that adding more of it via AI actually doesn't have much of an effect. - People return to lean on experts, perhaps even more than before. (just as a number…

> just as a number of tech-literate folks have now returned to relying on brand name

out of curiosity, what are you referring to?

Re: The makers of Eleuther hope it will be an open source alternative to GPT-3

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everdrive wrote: post #2

People already believe garbage at a pretty alarming rate. It's easy to guess at a number of possible outcomes here: - More junk text moves the public to doubt legitimate information even further than they currently do. - There is so much human-generated junk text that adding more of it via AI actually doesn't have much of an effect. - People return to lean on experts, perhaps even more than before. (just as a number…

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Re: The makers of Eleuther hope it will be an open source alternative to GPT-3

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Post by everdrive »

isolli wrote: post #22
everdrive wrote: post #2

People already believe garbage at a pretty alarming rate. It's easy to guess at a number of possible outcomes here: - More junk text moves the public to doubt legitimate information even further than they currently do. - There is so much human-generated junk text that adding more of it via AI actually doesn't have much of an effect. - People return to lean on experts, perhaps even more than before. (just as a number…

> just as a number of tech-literate folks have now returned to relying on brand name out of curiosity, what are you referring to?

In the early-ish days of the consumer internet, consumers had a new and huge information advantage over companies. People moved from relying on brand name, to reading online reviews. Often finding niche brands which they had otherwise not heard of.

Now, in 2021, that experience is flipped on its head. Amazon reviews are gamed and cannot be trusted. Companies build niche brands like fly-by-night companies, and the lesser known brands have a very high chance of being both seriously inferior, and also short lived.

At least, this has been my experience, and the experience of some others.

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And as further anecdotal proof that things have come full circle, my elderly mother in law keeps getting tricked by Amazon purchases. "The reviews were good," she'll say before returning something.

Re: The makers of Eleuther hope it will be an open source alternative to GPT-3

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Post by holstvoogd »

droopyEyelids wrote: post #18
pabe wrote: post #16

Did anybody set up a webinterface for testing this already?

I apologize for joking on Hacker News, but go to Google and type in anything to do with a consumer product comparison, and you'll get a billion results of webpages filled with text indistinguishable from AI generated blather.

I believe we are reaching a singularity.

Like 90% of content is written by marketeers for bots. SEO they call it. Now we can take out the middle man. Bots writing crap for other bots. And then we use that content to train more bots to write even crappier blog spam. And finally the bots decide the actual recipe is no longer needed on the recipe blogs and they kick us of the internet.

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Post by frockington1 »

holstvoogd wrote: post #25
droopyEyelids wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I apologize for joking on Hacker News, but go to Google and type in anything to do with a consumer product comparison, and you'll get a billion results of webpages filled with text indistinguishable from AI generated blather.

I believe we are reaching a singularity. Like 90% of content is written by marketeers for bots. SEO they call it. Now we can take out the middle man. Bots writing crap for other bots. And then we use that content to train more bots to write even crappier blog spam. And finally the bots decide the actual recipe is no longer needed on the recipe blogs and they kick us of the internet.

I wish it were possible to break down how much of twitter is bots reading other bots and then creating content for bots. They would never admit to how many 'users' are this but it has to be significant

Re: The makers of Eleuther hope it will be an open source alternative to GPT-3

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Post by whimsicalism »

everdrive wrote: post #24
isolli wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> just as a number of tech-literate folks have now returned to relying on brand name out of curiosity, what are you referring to?

In the early-ish days of the consumer internet, consumers had a new and huge information advantage over companies. People moved from relying on brand name, to reading online reviews. Often finding niche brands which they had otherwise not heard of. Now, in 2021, that experience is flipped on its head. Amazon reviews are gamed and cannot be trusted. Companies build niche brands like fly-by-night companies, and the les…

I just rely on reviewers like NYT Wirecutter and then buy whatever the reviewers suggest (and is cheap) on Amazon.

Re: The makers of Eleuther hope it will be an open source alternative to GPT-3

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Post by whimsicalism »

rjzzleep wrote: post #21
spideymans wrote: post #4

It'll be interesting to see how colleges and universities react to GPT-3. Students will surely use it to write entire assignments.

Even long before GPT-3 a friend of mine did his thesis with generated text, in an engineering university and received a B. This is 6 years ago. I have my own beefs with thesis' in general already, since 2 thirds of it seems to be filled with redundant text to prove that you went to university. I guess it's a little bit different, since back then he had to actually work to generate it and now it's a lot easier

> his thesis with generated text

6 years ago = probably LSTM.

He wrote an entire thesis with this and got a B? That seems implausible to me, but maybe I'm used to higher grading standards. Did he just use it to fill in parts of it?

Also, the plural of thesis is theses, not thesis' which implies the possessive.

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