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Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated

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Re: Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated

#151

Good thing hacker news doesn't run large civil engineering projects.

With more robots and drones, only a matter of time before we have Twitch controlling atoms instead of bits? [1]

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10477721 "Show HN: Twitch Installs Arch Linux"

Re: Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated

#152

Good thing hacker news doesn't run large civil engineering projects.

That thread was a good chuckle though -- a bunch of mostly software devs brainstorming on freeing one of the biggest containers ships from their comfy armchairs. [0] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26585282

Yes some of the options would have been fairly spectacular at least.

Re: Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated

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post #33

It's worth looking at the discussion of the ship just three days ago on Hacker News[1]. A lot of what people thought was true (that it would be stuck there for weeks, being dismissive of using tugboats to pull it out) didn't pan out as expected. Just a reminder that we should always take what we read with a grain of salt, and that it's fine to reserve judgement and see what will actually happen after the initial medi…

When this first got posted on HN I felt confident that I had absolutely no clue about the difficulties involved or how best to resolve the situation. I still stand by that assessment.

Re: Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated

#154
post #90

Oh hey, they fixed it, - without destroying or imposing significant additional damage to any of the cargo - without destroying or imposing significant additional damage to the ship - without taking multiple weeks - without needing to ship a trillion dollars'+ worth of equipment halfway around the world It's refreshing to see high-end engineering performed so competently.

About the cargo part - it's entirely possible that some cargo is non-viable. It is going to be onboard days longer than predicted. Anything even faintly perishable may be degraded. But good news for sure!

It's already a trip halfway around the world at something like 30 km/h. If you're transporting goods that are that sensitive, you're likely doing it by air already. Ships get delayed all the time for various reasons.

Re: Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated

#155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Delivery to end customers is not equivalent to delivery as part of a supply chain. Instead of $1K of iPhones, think of it as $1Mn worth of components for a manufacturing process or items to be placed on a shelf. Many of those items' shipping timeframes are well-known and factored into calculations of supply and demand. If a customer wants to buy something from you and you're out of stock, they're generally not going…

So what you're saying is, "it's complicated"?

It’s not Just complicated but a ton of math has been used for the last fifty years to make it as cheap as possible at the cost of robustness. Removing stacks of supplies at factories and ware houses in favor of just in time deliveries. Consolidating redundant factories. That sort of thing. I am not in logistics but I worked I a factory as an intern with the operations research group in the 1980s.

Re: Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated

#156
post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m actually really curious about this! It was built in the mid 19th century, was there excavators then? Or was it shovels and manpower? I looked on wikipedia hoping to find some info, but was sadly disappointed. I would TOTALLY read an in depth article on how, practically, the Suez canal was actually built.

Slaves, lots and lots of slaves, many of whom died. Exactly as you'd imagine something of epic proportions being made in the 19th century.

It was built with corvee labor, which is not quite the same thing: unpaid, yes, but done by farmers etc as a form of taxation in kind.

Re: Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated

#157
post #90

Oh hey, they fixed it, - without destroying or imposing significant additional damage to any of the cargo - without destroying or imposing significant additional damage to the ship - without taking multiple weeks - without needing to ship a trillion dollars'+ worth of equipment halfway around the world It's refreshing to see high-end engineering performed so competently.

There appears to be little "high-end engineering." Just a high tide and a bunch of tug boats.

Re: Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated

#158
post #86

What a surprise it didn’t need nuclear ordinance or building giant elaborate dams or millions of helicopters.

It's been blocked before but for a lot longer (from late 1956 to early 1957—about five months) during the Suez Crisis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Crisis That was a really big deal—more so than this one, I still remember the daily radio news reports and huge newspaper headlines from when I was a young kid. It was an international crisis that dragged on for months and months.

It was closed for 8 years after the 6 day war.

Re: Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated

#159
post #108

It's not free yet [1]... Still time for something to go wrong. For example, it's entirely possible they did hull damage whilst dragging it out. [1] https://www.vesselfinder.com/?imo=9811000

It's free and has moved up the canal quite a bit now.

It seems to be out of immediate danger, but the canal is much longer after the rest-area. I imagine they'll pull it aside to inspect the hull in this area to ensure it won't sink further up the canal?

Re: Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated

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post #86

What a surprise it didn’t need nuclear ordinance or building giant elaborate dams or millions of helicopters.

It's been blocked before but for a lot longer (from late 1956 to early 1957—about five months) during the Suez Crisis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Crisis That was a really big deal—more so than this one, I still remember the daily radio news reports and huge newspaper headlines from when I was a young kid. It was an international crisis that dragged on for months and months.

The canal was closed between 1967 and 1975, and some ships had bad timing:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Fleet

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