What a surprise it didn’t need nuclear ordinance or building giant elaborate dams or millions of helicopters.
We wanted the hero to be a Death Star, but in the end it was just the moon.
Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated
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Re: Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated
#132Oh hey, they fixed it, - without destroying or imposing significant additional damage to any of the cargo - without destroying or imposing significant additional damage to the ship - without taking multiple weeks - without needing to ship a trillion dollars'+ worth of equipment halfway around the world It's refreshing to see high-end engineering performed so competently.
About the cargo part - it's entirely possible that some cargo is non-viable. It is going to be onboard days longer than predicted. Anything even faintly perishable may be degraded.
But good news for sure!
Re: Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated
#133"Helped by the peak of high tide, the flotilla of tugboats managed to wrench the bow of the stranded Ever Given from the canal’s sandy bank, where it had been firmly lodged since last Tuesday." - https://www.vesselfinder.com/news/20501-Ever-Given-is-Finall...
Isn't it the Evergreen? Edit: Thank you for all the corrections, will leave this up for anyone else that's curious.
I spent the first half hour learning about all this being really confused when I kept seeing Evergreen written on the side of the ship (and not the much smaller Ever Given near the bow.)
Re: Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated
#134Lots of articles quote a $XXX billion dollars per day figure, but those numbers are normally for "worth of goods delayed" which, while interesting, doesn't tell the story to me. Are there any estimates as to the actual cost of this "mishap", due to e.g. spoilage, financial/contractual repercussions of late deliveries, personnel/fuel costs?
Agreed that just quoting the delayed value does not tell the whole story.
But it could be a pretty good proxy: to some approximation, everything in the supply chain would be set up to work with the 9.6 Bn daily flow of value - everybody's financing payments, payroll, working capital, etc. The time is gone. Just like if you had to take two weeks off (unpaid) because you were sick, you could work more later to get that money back, and recover some of it if you work overtime, but you still missed that window to make money.
Re: Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated
#135Good thing hacker news doesn't run large civil engineering projects.
That thread was a good chuckle though -- a bunch of mostly software devs brainstorming on freeing one of the biggest containers ships from their comfy armchairs. [0] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26585282
I learned how not to get rid of a whale at least.
In case I’m ever asked about that...
Re: Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated
#136It's not free yet [1]... Still time for something to go wrong. For example, it's entirely possible they did hull damage whilst dragging it out. [1] https://www.vesselfinder.com/?imo=9811000
It's free and has moved up the canal quite a bit now.
Re: Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated
#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be fair, there were a number of people chiming in who were claiming to be experienced in that area (ex Navy captains, people who did dredging ops, etc). One of the big things that changed the timeline was that the highest tide of the month occurred yesterday; if not, I imagine that ship would be stuck for another month!
Being expert in adjacent domains is sometimes worse than being clueless. The ratio of actual to assumed expertise seems to get worse. Navy captains vs shipping boats, geologists vs climate scientists, programmers vs cpu design, etc etc. You can very easily not understand subtleties, comment on a thing, and then people listen to you .
>programmers vs cpu design
You went a bit too far. I'd presume a lot of programmers do know CPU architecture well. While not common some of them to work on boring web platforms, some still do. Also most CPU architects would be decent programmers to begin with.
Programming has not changed all that much and it was not so long time ago that programmers routinely knew assembly and how many cycles (and bytes) each opcode took... Nowadays it might be regarded as an arcane art by most, of course.
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#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ever since I discovered n-gate.com HN comments read a little different than they used to...
This is some kind of weekly digest? I don't fully get it.
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Re: Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated
#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not like the $9b of daily commerce that can't get through the canal is being set alight and tipped overboard, it will reach its destination in the end. Some of that produce might have gone off, or the delay in its arrival causes knock-on costs, but the final cost is only going to be a fraction of that figure, not a large multiple!
I agree that it won't be a large multiple, but, I do think it's naive to assume that it'll be a fraction of the cost. Consider the shear volume of stuff being transported. Millions of tons of goods across hundreds of delayed transports, some perishable, some with tight timeline requirements, some with tight contract requirements. And it's not like as soon as ships start moving again all of that cost will go away. Shi…
If it's really time-critical, it's shipped by air, not sea. Container ships being delayed by a few days by rough weather, port delays etc happens all the time, and we're looking at a week tops here even for directly impacted ships.
Re: Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated
#140I honestly love that it was freed using the "boring" solution. No need for any of the crazy solutions people proposed on the internet. Just careful and measured execution of proven techniques.