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Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated

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Re: Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated

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Post by prophesi »

bnralt wrote: post #33

It's worth looking at the discussion of the ship just three days ago on Hacker News[1]. A lot of what people thought was true (that it would be stuck there for weeks, being dismissive of using tugboats to pull it out) didn't pan out as expected. Just a reminder that we should always take what we read with a grain of salt, and that it's fine to reserve judgement and see what will actually happen after the initial medi…

Those comments were really helpful to me. HM did a great job at showing just how insanely large this ship is and why it will be difficult to get it unstuck. To a layman such as myself, a boat remaining stuck for almost an entire week sounds pretty absurd without that context.

Re: Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated

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Post by DenisM »

debaserab2 wrote: post #75
jeremymcanally wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, if we’re being honest, a pack of software nerds on a website don’t have the deep expertise on every topic like they think they do (speaking as a software nerd on a website myself :)). The stuff that gets posted here sometimes is...fascinating.

Ever since I discovered n-gate.com HN comments read a little different than they used to...

Do tell?

Re: Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated

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Post by hartator »

debaserab2 wrote: post #75
jeremymcanally wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, if we’re being honest, a pack of software nerds on a website don’t have the deep expertise on every topic like they think they do (speaking as a software nerd on a website myself :)). The stuff that gets posted here sometimes is...fascinating.

Ever since I discovered n-gate.com HN comments read a little different than they used to...

This is some kind of weekly digest? I don't fully get it.

Re: Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated

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Post by codyb »

sandworm101 wrote: post #78
codyb wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read it was six, running 24 hours a day, which moved 27,000 metric tons of sand. Which, sounds like a lot of sand to me. Seems like software engineers would have the best understanding of slowly but steadily working towards a goal since that's been my life since I started in this field! But, also, I admittedly bit the hype train too on how hard it was going to be to get this thing dislodged.

I think that number is from the dredgers rather than the excavators. Dredgers (ships) can shift sand faster than dozens of excavators.

It looks like you would be correct! Although the 27,000 metric tons appears to have been on point.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-56547383

Re: Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated

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Post by tomthe »

bnralt wrote: post #33

It's worth looking at the discussion of the ship just three days ago on Hacker News[1]. A lot of what people thought was true (that it would be stuck there for weeks, being dismissive of using tugboats to pull it out) didn't pan out as expected. Just a reminder that we should always take what we read with a grain of salt, and that it's fine to reserve judgement and see what will actually happen after the initial medi…

To be fair: Maersk, biggest shipping company in the world also came to the conclusion that it will take longer and sent their ships the way around africa. It's always a gamble and every outcome has it's probabilities.

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Post by herendin2 »

nicoburns wrote: post #79
OskarS wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m actually really curious about this! It was built in the mid 19th century, was there excavators then? Or was it shovels and manpower? I looked on wikipedia hoping to find some info, but was sadly disappointed. I would TOTALLY read an in depth article on how, practically, the Suez canal was actually built.

"Construction began in April 1859, and at first digging was done by hand with picks and shovels wielded by forced laborers. Later, European workers with dredgers and steam shovels arrived" https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/suez-canal-opens

Depiction of a steam dregdger working on the Suez Canal

https://www.alamy.com/suez-dredgers-canal-build-dig-excavate...

Re: Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated

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Post by puddingnomeat »

bnralt wrote: post #33

It's worth looking at the discussion of the ship just three days ago on Hacker News[1]. A lot of what people thought was true (that it would be stuck there for weeks, being dismissive of using tugboats to pull it out) didn't pan out as expected. Just a reminder that we should always take what we read with a grain of salt, and that it's fine to reserve judgement and see what will actually happen after the initial medi…

I think this is wrong.

Someone says "it COULD be stuck for weeks"

It gets unstuck earlier, fine. Doesn't invalidate the possibility.

The criticism is moot. If anyone had made bets, then I'd take both more seriously.

Re: Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated

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Post by kaybe »

rodiger wrote: post #52
JimWestergren wrote: post #45

"Helped by the peak of high tide, the flotilla of tugboats managed to wrench the bow of the stranded Ever Given from the canal’s sandy bank, where it had been firmly lodged since last Tuesday." - https://www.vesselfinder.com/news/20501-Ever-Given-is-Finall...

Isn't it the Evergreen? Edit: Thank you for all the corrections, will leave this up for anyone else that's curious.

A small addition: Here is the link to the wikipedia article that also tells you about their hotel and airline business.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evergreen_Group

(Cue jokes about earth (they have trucks) and water blockages soon to be followed by air. I haven't seen a good fire theory yet.)

Re: Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated

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Post by BurningFrog »

rodiger wrote: post #68

Does Evergreen get fined for something like this? Is there enforceable law here? Or just say sorry and life goes on?

Ships going through the canal are commanded by Egyption pilots, so it's doubtful that Evergreen has any responsibility.

That would make the Egyptian government responsible. But I'd be stunned if it paid or apologized to anyone.

Re: Suez Canal says traffic in channel resumes after stranded ship refloated

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Post by kevstev »

rodiger wrote: post #68

Does Evergreen get fined for something like this? Is there enforceable law here? Or just say sorry and life goes on?

Iirc, the actual captain does not pilot through the harbor, there are specific pilots that take your vessel through. So it seems unlikely that there would be any liability to the ship crew or owner.
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