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Fukushima: It's much worse than you think

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Re: Fukushima: It's much worse than you think

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I love AJE, but I'm regularly surprised over the amount of balls AJE reporters have in making value judgements on the fly. For instance: Why have alarms not been sounded about radiation exposure in the US? Nuclear operator Exelon Corporation has been among Barack Obama's biggest campaign donors, and is one of the largest employers in Illinois where Obama was senator. Exelon has donated more than $269,000 to his polit…

On the flip side, I'm regularly impressed by how the US media almost never questions, mentions or takes note any of the money and power connections which influence US politics so heavily.

I think the story is deeper than one company who gave $269,000 however.

Re: Fukushima: It's much worse than you think

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"In the US, physician Janette Sherman MD and epidemiologist Joseph Mangano published an essay shedding light on a 35 per cent spike in infant mortality in northwest cities that occurred after the Fukushima meltdown, and may well be the result of fallout from the stricken nuclear plant." Somehow, I'm not surprised by this. Janette Sherman is an anti-nuclear activist: http://janettesherman.com/ Joseph Mangano is the di…

If Fukushima caused a 35% spike in infant mortality in the US , you gotta wonder what was the effect in Japan. Did they bother to check?

But it's not at all proven that "Fukushima caused a 35% spike in infant mortality in the US", is it? It seems sort of unlikely that no one would have noticed a tremendous spike in the amount of environmental radiation (such as would presumably be necessary to cause such an increase in infant mortality) in these northwestern US cities.

Either way, though, that seems surprising to me that there'd be a 35% increase in infant mortality.

Re: Fukushima: It's much worse than you think

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"In the US, physician Janette Sherman MD and epidemiologist Joseph Mangano published an essay shedding light on a 35 per cent spike in infant mortality in northwest cities that occurred after the Fukushima meltdown, and may well be the result of fallout from the stricken nuclear plant." Somehow, I'm not surprised by this. Janette Sherman is an anti-nuclear activist: http://janettesherman.com/ Joseph Mangano is the di…

If Fukushima caused a 35% spike in infant mortality in the US , you gotta wonder what was the effect in Japan. Did they bother to check?

I think it's too easy, with all this talk about nuclear meltdown and the world's worst industrial disaster (really?), to loose the following nugget of context: Japan just got hit by the fifth largest earthquake since 1900. They have bigger problems - at least in the short term - than radiation.

One of the most frequent complaints that comes up is the lack of safety mechanisms built into the reactor. Sure, they could have done a better job (the fact that electricity is needed for a cool-down is particularly disturbing) - but really, /all/ industrial mechanisms are going to start to experience a significant problems when hit by a historically significant earthquake. Sure, the engineers should have expected earthquakes (and they did - this is Japan, after all), but it's unreasonable to expect them to be prepared for a 9.0, just as it's unreasonable to expect them to be prepared for a direct meteor strike.

Re: Fukushima: It's much worse than you think

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was shocked at the immediate "this is not a problem" reaction by many people -- particularly here at Hacker News.

Just think of it as a natural counterweight to all the people who equate meltdown with a nuclear explosion.

Where are such people? From my perspective, you're suggesting a natural counterweight to nobody.

Re: Fukushima: It's much worse than you think

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"In the US, physician Janette Sherman MD and epidemiologist Joseph Mangano published an essay shedding light on a 35 per cent spike in infant mortality in northwest cities that occurred after the Fukushima meltdown, and may well be the result of fallout from the stricken nuclear plant." "The eight cities included in the report are San Jose, Berkeley, San Francisco, Sacramento, Santa Cruz, Portland, Seattle, and Boise…

I was very surprised to see statistics like that so soon after it happened. Typically reliable statistics for data like infant mortality are not available until awhile (read: a year) after the event.

And, frankly, even then it seems very early to draw a conclusive connection to Fukushima. Correlation != causation.

Re: Fukushima: It's much worse than you think

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There's a lot of nonsense in that article. First of all, they keep repeating the words Plutonium and Uranium (particularly "enriched Uranium") and try to suggest that these are the major threats from the accident.

They're not.

Uranium isotopes have a half-life of billions of years, so whatever radioactivity they emit is spread out over a very long time. Overall, uranium is toxic in the same way that lead is toxic, and the chemical toxicity is probably worse than the radiotoxicity. Even in a completely melted reactor core, uranium dioxide is relativly stable and won't be quickly transported into the environment.

The isotopes of concern are primarily of Iodine and Cesium. Radioiodine from the accident has almost completely decayed, although Cesium isotopes may still be hazardous in heavily contaminated areas for years.

Currently there seem to be "hotspots" at considerable distances from the plant where doses on the ground are in a range that's at the edge of what nuclear power workers are permitted to get (but rarely do.) There's no proof that radiation at that level is harmful, but no proof that it's completely safe to have that exposure for your lifetime either.

Now, it's also BS to say that the threat from spent nuclear fuel that's been sitting around for 10 years is as high as the threat from an active core or one that's been sitting around for three months -- it just isn't; radioactivity decays and heat generation goes down, so it's really unfair to count the number of "cores" worth of danger here.

That said, I wouldn't blame people for mistrusting Japanese government, industry and even society. Japan has been the world's leader in nuclear accidents for the past 20 years, and it's often said that they're not completely honest about industrial accidents in general (such as in the auto industry.)

Nuclear safety requires a person who's disciplined and (for the most part) follows orders but who also has a strong individual sense of right and wrong and won't follow a bad order. America's nuclear navy works hard to cultivate this ethos, but I'm not sure if it's easy to cultivate this in Japan.

Re: Fukushima: It's much worse than you think

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was shocked at the immediate "this is not a problem" reaction by many people -- particularly here at Hacker News.

Just think of it as a natural counterweight to all the people who equate meltdown with a nuclear explosion.

I don't know anyone like that.

Re: Fukushima: It's much worse than you think

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"Most of the reactors in Japan were designed by US companies who did not care for the effects of earthquakes," As an Engineer I call bullshit on this.

Who capitalizes "engineer"? Aside from realtors, maybe.

Those who pay thousands of dollars a year for their professional license.

Re: Fukushima: It's much worse than you think

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It will be interesting to see if, in a few years, dentists and doctors start collecting baby teeth, which can then be analyzed for uptake of radioactive materials into bone.

This was done in the 50s and 60s in the USA - the large number of above-ground nuclear tests put material in the air, which was detectable in teeth from children living at that time.

(link may be biased against nuclear but contains overview of the study): http://www.radiation.org/projects/tooth_fairy.html

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