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John Sullivan resign as executive director of the Free Software Foundation

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Re: John Sullivan resign as executive director of the Free Software Foundation

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I'm creating a throwaway that I hope won't irk dang. If this breaks the rules, I'm sorry and I'll stop. Richard Stallman single-handedly created the free software movement, and he's the reason we all have jobs. Google and Facebook might not have been possible in a world where you couldn't spin up a server for free and compile code without paying a license. Richard Stallman has said some sexist and edgy things. He als…

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Re: John Sullivan resign as executive director of the Free Software Foundation

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post #17

I've given a lot of thought to this issue and though I've wanted to give Richard Stallman the benefit of the doubt, I've come to an inescapable conclusion: The FSF board of directors really stepped in it bringing Stallman back, especially in the clandestine manner that they did. They have squandered the goodwill of the community by promoting a controversial figure known for his toxic opinions and decades of bad behav…

> because of the toxic effect he has on the community, in particular driving women -- and more recently, those repulsed by pedophilia -- away. Can you name one person who was driven away from contributing to free software because of Stallman? Sarah Mei? Lol. I believe that it is unlikely for someone _really_ willing to contribute to society to abandon this idea simply because some person he's never met being an unple…

What absurd nonsense. If you see a community supporting opinions you hold vile, you will simply go and join a less toxic community.

This attitude that FLOSS supporters should be dedicated to the cause no matter the cost is why the GCC and copyleft communities are dying.

Re: John Sullivan resign as executive director of the Free Software Foundation

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post #63

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> Richard Stallman has said some sexist and edgy things. done some sexist and edgy things. On stage, spoken directly at women. Also, Stallman is a totally incompetent leader - the project is sufficiently niche that I won't name it, but the maintainer mentioned to me that he entered rms's bad book merely by virtue of having children.

It is nice how you prove your point about Stallman being totally incompetent leader by providing a very specific and verifiable allegation. Also, now we know that rms has 'bad book' where he puts people with children.

I would give more detail but the exact project is a reasonably major but narrow piece of GNU with not many maintainers, which I should also add they nearly missed out on for other rms related reasons.

Re: John Sullivan resign as executive director of the Free Software Foundation

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> I don't want to live in a world without American freedom of speech - where we can't be blunt and speak our minds. I take issue with this. I'm not hugely adept at history but from my understanding there has never been a time where you can just blurt out a communication and have it be "accepted" by society - this seems to me very American and appears very detached from reality and real world experience. Yes, you are…

> perhaps it's best to step away and not click "reply" afterall. This is censorship. It's why I'm posting anonymously for the first time in a long time. > there has never been a time where you can just blurt out a communication and have it be "accepted" by society We're in a new era where algorithms amplify rage and "mobs" are a composite of real people, anonymous users, and bots. You can't fight against it, and ther…

"extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence": can you please indicate the particular age when it was tolerated to speak your mind freely? Or at least more free than today.

Re: John Sullivan resign as executive director of the Free Software Foundation

#125

I'm creating a throwaway that I hope won't irk dang. If this breaks the rules, I'm sorry and I'll stop. Richard Stallman single-handedly created the free software movement, and he's the reason we all have jobs. Google and Facebook might not have been possible in a world where you couldn't spin up a server for free and compile code without paying a license. Richard Stallman has said some sexist and edgy things. He als…

We dont do anything about it, in the same sense second graders dont have to do anything about tenth grade problems.

Social Media, HN included, does a fine job of presenting tenth grade problems to second graders everyday.

As if that isnt misguided enough (no org or edu system ever does that and produces good outcomes), it creates a rallying point for all the second graders in world to show up and discuss the tenth grade problem on the board.

Its a waste of time. Thats all it is. There are second graders who understand that, and there are second graders who will get carried away by the numbers at the rallying point and go storm the capitol or whatever bullshit a second grade herd can come up with.

Any time anyone starts getting anxious over problems the internet happily plants in their head, thats a clear signal they are dealing with problems above their paygrade.

There is only one valid move to make, shrug it off and head back to the second grade classroom. There is no evidence social media or hn debates have ever contributed to solutions to anything extremely complex. And there is enough evidence they just increase the complexity of the problem.

Re: John Sullivan resign as executive director of the Free Software Foundation

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vocal twitter minority reaching their goals again? current state of internet is pretty sad, I bet you'd just need 30 people/twitter(or reddit) accounts in order to create drama of significant size

https://rms-open-letter.github.io/ The organisations that I've heard of which called for the board at the FSF to resign: - X.org Foundation - Tor Project - Mozilla - The HardenedBSD Foundation / The HardenedBSD Project - SUSE - GNOME Foundation - The FreeDOS Project - Creative Commons - OBS Project Isn't this a bit more than a vocal twitter minority?

Did these organisations ask their respective members if they agree with signing this letter? On the support letter* there are a number of GNOME contributors, so clearly there is not one single opinion within these organisations.

* https://rms-support-letter.github.io/

Re: John Sullivan resign as executive director of the Free Software Foundation

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> What do we do about this? There's not much we can do about that; the world is a horrible, unfair place. If Socrates was born again, we would kill him again.

Of course there's something we can do. We get to make choices.

> We get to make choices.

I'm quite disillusioned at that point, I'm not sure that our choices can be good after all... There's lots of well-intentioned people doing horrible things, and at the same time I find myself systematically in the losing team when I try to take what it seems to be the correct stance.

Re: John Sullivan resign as executive director of the Free Software Foundation

#128

I'm creating a throwaway that I hope won't irk dang. If this breaks the rules, I'm sorry and I'll stop. Richard Stallman single-handedly created the free software movement, and he's the reason we all have jobs. Google and Facebook might not have been possible in a world where you couldn't spin up a server for free and compile code without paying a license. Richard Stallman has said some sexist and edgy things. He als…

> I was reading comments in another HN thread, and one poster suggested that this might arise from raising kids without bullying. Like the immune system, if we don't develop a central tolerance, perhaps we start attacking everything we find unpleasant? No basis in behavioral science, of course. Forget basis in behavioral science, this has no basis in anything, and you’re deluded if you think kids aren’t still bullied…

> What a trash take.

You can disagree without coming down to this.

Re: John Sullivan resign as executive director of the Free Software Foundation

#129
I think people should just create their own foundation and get on with things. It seems like the FSF is going to be doing things their way - there's no compulsion for anyone to follow them, listen to them or to agree with what they do. So why not just start your own Foundation?

Re: John Sullivan resign as executive director of the Free Software Foundation

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post #44

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> what I gather from the discussion is that there is a _pattern_ of bad behaviour. I disagree, it's all very much overblown.

I can't comment on most of the accusations, I have never met rms in person. But what really shocked me was that the authors of the anti rms letter label him as "transphobe", as a source for that claim they link to his GNU Kind Communications Guidelines [1], which to me spell the exact opposite. Why put such a claim in there? I find it really disturbing that so many people willingly accept that it's ok to mix legitima…

It's the footnote. Call people by their pronouns, not some random one "per" you made up for them.
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