I read an account that a group of guano miners in china caught it, and were quarantined, or something similar back around 2013 and the virus somehow made two evolutionary jumps at once. Maybe an unforeseen effect of an antiviral medication. That doesn't clear the lab or animal source issue but would be a subject to research.
The WHO-China search for the origins of the coronavirus
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To be fair, although we are a bit better here in west, we are still far from perfect. Letting the POTUS call it China virus, is despicable.
I agree that was in poor taste, but would you say the naming of "Zika virus", "Ebola virus", or "Middle East Respiratory Syndrome" is despicable?
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#163So, to summarize-the-summary: there are four possible theories: 1. Direct-jump from bat population 2. Started in bats, came to humans through intermediate animal 3. Came from frozen food outside of China 4. Lab accident. I used to think the lab accident theory was crazy, because it sounds like a science fiction movie. Not an impossible theory, just a crazy one. But according to this article, despite a year of investi…
I don't know why (1) is unlikely. We know that a lot of people have weak symptoms. We know that symptoms are similar to other diseases. If it were to start in a remote area you probably wouldn't notice it until it entered a big city.
Would only take one person from a small village where the virus was otherwise burning itself out to travel to a big city.
I think the Chinese's response was very good considering they had no warning. And western countries did far worse when they had 4-6 weeks of warning.
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#164So, to summarize-the-summary: there are four possible theories: 1. Direct-jump from bat population 2. Started in bats, came to humans through intermediate animal 3. Came from frozen food outside of China 4. Lab accident. I used to think the lab accident theory was crazy, because it sounds like a science fiction movie. Not an impossible theory, just a crazy one. But according to this article, despite a year of investi…
Immunor & St Georges University of London released a paper outlining evidence that SARS-CoV-2 Spike was artificial. The paper was criticised for going against the popular narrative. While I hope they're wrong, many researches dance around the topic. https://www.minervanett.no/files/2020/07/13/TheEvidenceNoNat...
Re: The WHO-China search for the origins of the coronavirus
#165So, to summarize-the-summary: there are four possible theories: 1. Direct-jump from bat population 2. Started in bats, came to humans through intermediate animal 3. Came from frozen food outside of China 4. Lab accident. I used to think the lab accident theory was crazy, because it sounds like a science fiction movie. Not an impossible theory, just a crazy one. But according to this article, despite a year of investi…
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#166So, to summarize-the-summary: there are four possible theories: 1. Direct-jump from bat population 2. Started in bats, came to humans through intermediate animal 3. Came from frozen food outside of China 4. Lab accident. I used to think the lab accident theory was crazy, because it sounds like a science fiction movie. Not an impossible theory, just a crazy one. But according to this article, despite a year of investi…
Viruses get out of labs all the time, what’s so crazy about it?
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#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be fair, although we are a bit better here in west, we are still far from perfect. Letting the POTUS call it China virus, is despicable.
Let’s stay on topic. The truth is that many people were reluctant to even consider the lab theory because it might look anti-Chinese at a time when Trump was blatantly attacking them and blaming them for the virus with no evidence. The point is that politics led to censorship that made it difficult to consider all possibilities.
It is sad that so many people would rather compromise their integrity rather than agree with Trump.
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#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know why (1) is unlikely. We know that a lot of people have weak symptoms. We know that symptoms are similar to other diseases. If it were to start in a remote area you probably wouldn't notice it until it entered a big city.
Would only take one person from a small village where the virus was otherwise burning itself out to travel to a big city. I think the Chinese's response was very good considering they had no warning. And western countries did far worse when they had 4-6 weeks of warning.
When western countries had 4-6 weeks of warning they were running “hug a Chinese” campaigns instead of being advised to keep social distance with everyone.
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#169So I also don't favour the lab leak theory but this is the first time I'd read this (emphasis added): > Nor have the labs been entirely forthcoming about what viruses they do know about. The Wuhan Institute of Virology possesses gene information about similar viruses that it has not released publicly. Other information disappeared from view when the institute took a database offline in late 2019, just before the outb…
I would imagine that essentially all of the people in charge who've delayed/limited information to the investigation have absolutely no clue whether there's even anything to hide. Just consider how much the downsides they'd face of discovering incriminating evidence of a lab accident outweigh any upsides if they actually weren't to blame.
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The problem is that this is proof that the slippery slope of social media censorship already has a causality. Twitter banned ZeroHedge, an irreverent but very well known financial website, for months just for pushing this theory. Yesterday’s crazy conspiracy theories become today’s plausibilities. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/twitter-bans-zero-hedge-coronav...
To be fair, although we are a bit better here in west, we are still far from perfect. Letting the POTUS call it China virus, is despicable.
He should’ve called it the CCP Virus. I actually like where he was going (let’s be real, China’s secrecy let it spread more widely), but another Trump fail.