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A new model for faster-than-light travel that uses conventional physics

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Re: A new model for faster-than-light travel that uses conventional physics

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Which is easier? 1) Faster than light travel. 2) Extend lifetimes so 1) doesn't matter.

I'd rather predict 3) A spaceship large enough and self-sufficient enough that many generations of society can live and die on the spaceship at sub-light speeds. Not the flashy sci-fi solution, but the most likely.

"Orphans of the Sky" by R.Heinlein, very much recommended read.

Re: A new model for faster-than-light travel that uses conventional physics

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There is no causality paradox with warp drives.

Nope. Literally any method of getting from A to B faster than light would, has a causality paradox. it does not matter if you cover the miles between FTL, or pop out of a hypothetical wormhole gate: If you end up outside of your own light cone, no matter how, there's a causality paradox.

The article calling it FTL isn't entirely correct. You aren't travelling faster than light. Spacetime can, and routinely does, exceed c.

One possible solution to the problem is time expansion in the bubble: taking a 200ly trip would age the universe by 200 years outside the bubble (from the frame of reference of those inside).

Re: A new model for faster-than-light travel that uses conventional physics

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What is impossible in 2D (e.g. escaping from inside a circle) is possible and trivial in 3D. Is moving faster than speed of light a limitation that can be overcome in a higher dimension? Does it really require a lot of energy or is that only so under certain circumstances? There is a lot we still don't know

The 3d equivalent of a circle is a sphere, which is also impossible to escape from in 3d.

Re: A new model for faster-than-light travel that uses conventional physics

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I can imagine this type of reaction when people started to suggest time past at different rates for different observers.

That's something you can literally demonstrate with accurate clocks and a mountain. This is a mathematical construct that is interesting but it is zero percent closer to any sort of demonstration of the effect let alone an actual implementation. It's frictionless pullies and spherical cows in terms of actual demonstration. Once something requires more energy than fusion reactions can provide you are at energy levels…

I expect this theory will need a lot more work before it becomes even remotely testable.

Re: A new model for faster-than-light travel that uses conventional physics

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I could be wrong, but I think the GP was commenting specifically about time of day? At idealized midnight the vector between you and the sun goes through the center of the Earth, indicating that increasing altitude takes you away from the Sun, instead of towards it. At idealized Noon, the opposite is true.

But the speed at which the earth is approaching the sun makes a biggers difference than your flight of stairs?

Yeah, I guess that's one way of looking at it; I guess on my first read of the comments I saw it as a related rates problem where "the act of climbing the stairs adds a velocity away from the Sun", but yeah, the second comment makes the case that at certain times of year the sum of the Earth's velocity and your stairs could still be positive in the "towards sun" direction.

(Sigh) this is why I'm poorly suited for Twitter...

Re: A new model for faster-than-light travel that uses conventional physics

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Instead of negative energy this warp drive idea requires 10^30 more energy than the matter contained in Jupiter, so we aren't quite there ;-). The additional issue is whether something going faster than the speed of light violates causality, like a warp drive. I've never understood how to reconcile causality with the fact of so called 'spooky interaction at a distance'. If it's faster than the speed of light, and you…

yeah good thing for dilithium crystals though

Re: A new model for faster-than-light travel that uses conventional physics

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Not when the system requires energy equivalent to many Jupiters. To create a useful system you'd need to consume a Sun-sized star of mass on a monthly basis. We aren't there and honestly I don't see us ever being there.

My feeling is that interstellar travel will be slow and require many generations of travelers -- or not done by human beings at all.

Interstellar travel doesn't have to be slow for the travellers. You could get to Alpha Centauri and back to Earth in a day (at least as far as relativity is concerned), but for those who stayed on Earth, a decade would have passed.

That's the twin paradox btw.

Re: A new model for faster-than-light travel that uses conventional physics

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Nope. Literally any method of getting from A to B faster than light would, has a causality paradox. it does not matter if you cover the miles between FTL, or pop out of a hypothetical wormhole gate: If you end up outside of your own light cone, no matter how, there's a causality paradox.

The article calling it FTL isn't entirely correct. You aren't travelling faster than light. Spacetime can, and routinely does, exceed c. One possible solution to the problem is time expansion in the bubble: taking a 200ly trip would age the universe by 200 years outside the bubble (from the frame of reference of those inside).

But if you travel at close to the speed of light (without exceeding it), the universe will age 200 years when you take a 200ly trip. In which case, I'm not sure if there is any benefit to dragging around a bubble of spacetime?

Re: A new model for faster-than-light travel that uses conventional physics

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People are willing to follow religions because of society, family and peer pressure,I take it they will be willing to do so under the same pressure and for something that can at least be scientifically proved to exist.

If the year 2020 taught me anything, it's that an alarmingly large number of people can all as a group reject something that's scientifically proven.

Science is (a lot less) powerful than religion.

Indoctrination taken to religious levels, in a confined and controlled environment, would be more than enough to propagate programming for hundreds if not thousands of years.

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