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Re: China boycotts Western clothes brands over Xinjiang cotton

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Post by tirrex »

oreally wrote: post #42
jonathannat wrote: post #9

With regards to Xinjiang sanctions, China has also - sanctioned US/Canadian/UK/EU individuals and entities - erased H&M in all major Chinese platforms https://wwd.com/business-news/retail/hm-face-new-boycott-chi... While that's happening, China has also - signed a 25-year cooperation agreement with Iran - censored 'stock market' term from social media searches after stocks posted longest losing streak https://markets…

Sounds like the typical westernized narrow view of China. Whenever there's a rising power that threatens the current number #1, you'll see such events happening. It has happened time and again and the only difference now is that there is far less blood being spilled. On the flip side, the rest of the world remembers what dirty things the US did during it's hold on global power. WMDs in iraq, double ethical standards…

I’m from a country which US did its dirty things in it but don’t even compare China to US. China is another league, a big threat to the rest of the world and China has a lot less credibility than US.

Re: China boycotts Western clothes brands over Xinjiang cotton

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Post by labster »

endisneigh wrote: post #41
tirrex wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody cares what you call it whether dictatorship, authoritarian or most democratic country ever. Parent says “you get dissappeared if you say anything about government”. When that is true, we call it dictatorship. Terminology does not matter. We are talking about practical results of it.

So any country that can disappear critics is a dictatorship?

In practice, usually yes. I suppose there are a few counterexamples like Aristotle, though he was disliked for anti-democratic views. But even in the feudal era, kings couldn’t just go murder lords who opposed them. Not without an army.

Re: China boycotts Western clothes brands over Xinjiang cotton

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Post by justinzollars »

jonathannat wrote: post #25
Leary wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Declining economy? It's going to decline itself to 1st place by 2030.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/yes-china-lying-about... Yes China Is Lying About the Size of Their Economy https://fortune.com/2021/03/11/stimulus-package-covid-relief... The $1.9 trillion stimulus package could see the U.S. economy outpace China’s for the first time in 45 years https://seekingalpha.com/article/4414648-chinas-shifting-dem... China's Shifting Demographics Suggest Slower Economic growth https:/…

https://www.pwc.com/gx/en/research-insights/economy/the-worl... China GDP will be much larger than US by 2050

https://www.politico.eu/article/china-topples-us-as-eus-top-... China topples US as EU Top trade partner

https://www.upi.com/Defense-News/2019/08/20/Report-Chinas-mi... Report: China's military could overwhelm U.S. forces in Indo-Pacific region

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-10-01/From-nobody-to-somebod... China has the worlds largest high speed rail network

Re: China boycotts Western clothes brands over Xinjiang cotton

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Post by justinzollars »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #32
Leary wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Declining economy? It's going to decline itself to 1st place by 2030.

Ya, its just like what everyone said about Japan’s growth trajectory in the 1980s. Similar predictions even.

Except China is 4 United States's.

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Post by justinzollars »

not_exactly__ wrote: post #22
Leary wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Declining economy? It's going to decline itself to 1st place by 2030.

Not so fast. China managing 1st place isn’t a foregone conclusion. Ill blame those pesky demographic trends first.

Its already number one by many measures:

- world trade - PPP - Navy size

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Post by 8note »

jonathannat wrote: post #9

With regards to Xinjiang sanctions, China has also - sanctioned US/Canadian/UK/EU individuals and entities - erased H&M in all major Chinese platforms https://wwd.com/business-news/retail/hm-face-new-boycott-chi... While that's happening, China has also - signed a 25-year cooperation agreement with Iran - censored 'stock market' term from social media searches after stocks posted longest losing streak https://markets…

What's wrong with signing an agreement with Iran? They've got cheap oil, that could be sent by pipelines rather than the US controlled Pacific ocean

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Post by 8note »

jonathannat wrote: post #50
oreally wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like the typical westernized narrow view of China. Whenever there's a rising power that threatens the current number #1, you'll see such events happening. It has happened time and again and the only difference now is that there is far less blood being spilled. On the flip side, the rest of the world remembers what dirty things the US did during it's hold on global power. WMDs in iraq, double ethical standards…

This seems like a very US-centric response. As I wrote > China sanctioned US/Canadian/UK/EU individuals and entities > erased H&M (swedish company) in all major Chinese platforms

Those are all American colonies. What's the difference?

Re: China boycotts Western clothes brands over Xinjiang cotton

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Post by jonathannat »

justinzollars wrote: post #54
jonathannat wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/yes-china-lying-about... Yes China Is Lying About the Size of Their Economy https://fortune.com/2021/03/11/stimulus-package-covid-relief... The $1.9 trillion stimulus package could see the U.S. economy outpace China’s for the first time in 45 years https://seekingalpha.com/article/4414648-chinas-shifting-dem... China's Shifting Demographics Suggest Slower Economic growth https:/…

https://www.pwc.com/gx/en/research-insights/economy/the-worl... China GDP will be much larger than US by 2050 https://www.politico.eu/article/china-topples-us-as-eus-top-... China topples US as EU Top trade partner https://www.upi.com/Defense-News/2019/08/20/Report-Chinas-mi... Report: China's military could overwhelm U.S. forces in Indo-Pacific region https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-10-01/From-nobody-to-somebod... C…

first link is "The World in 2050 report was published in February 2017"

second link is only regarding goods. goods + services, US is EU top trade partner

third link: there are now Japan/Australian/US/UK/France/German warships patrolling in the indo-pacific region.

fourth link: costly to maintain, uncertainty post covid

Re: China boycotts Western clothes brands over Xinjiang cotton

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Post by 8note »

Wolfenstein98k wrote: post #15
endisneigh wrote: post #12

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Your take is interesting: 1. Hasn’t China’s economy been growing steadily for decades? 2. Hasn’t China formed new trading partnerships with many countries in Europe? 3. China is not a dictatorship.

1) Yes, but that's slowing by all external measures 2) Yes, but as with the agreements with my state (Victoria), those are fleeting and mostly gesture - the tide is turning against China since these wheels were set in motion several years ago 3) President for life? How isn't it a dictatorship? How is the leader replaced if the populace does not like him - and how do they make that known, when you can't even use an op…

Dictators have broad powers -- the tenure is orthogonal. You could have a dictator who's in for a year
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