I am so going to use rubber gloves to receive my parcels from now on :)
Documents show Amazon is aware drivers pee in bottles and even defecate enroute
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Re: Documents show Amazon is aware drivers pee in bottles and even defecate enroute
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
Women can pee in a bottle too: https://www.amazon.com/Standing-Resistant-Urination-Portable... Equality often means, delicate sensitivities of either sex, are not considered.
I wonder why this is so downvoted? If you think peeing in a bottle is degrading, it doesn't seem that using a product like this would be any more degrading than the male method. I have women friends who use devices like these when we hike and there's nothing weird or embarrassing about it for any of us. Though it's important to note that women's bathroom needs are different from men in more ways than just the mechani…
When you hike? I'd have thought doing it in nature would be fine (considering all the animals doing the same). I always do so when I hike anyway (just making sure there's nobody around :P ). My female friends also do so. Not sure exactly how as I am polite enough to turn around O:-)
Indeed menstruation is a different issue altogether.
Re: Documents show Amazon is aware drivers pee in bottles and even defecate enroute
#103There's a market for trucks with drivers seat toilets.
Re: Documents show Amazon is aware drivers pee in bottles and even defecate enroute
#104> You don’t really believe the peeing in bottles thing, do you? If that were true, nobody would work for us. > The truth is that we have over a million incredible employees around the world who are proud of what they do, and have great wages and health care from day one. Amazon's PR (one of the best in the industry) at its finest. Minimize/deny/ignore the issue raised, and quickly bridge to something else entirely. D…
Disclaimer: Work at AWS now. Opinion my own, and I have both good and bad things about my employer. I also have extreme reservations about capitalism. 1.) This is all competent PR. PR is there to cast the employer in a good light, and bait-and-switch is a tactic used since before there was a formalized PR industry. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Amazon PR was going to next say 'most of our drivers aren't Amazon emp…
> Can Amazon do more? Yes. Should Amazon be a corporate leader? Yes. But this a larger problem than Amazon. This happens across industries with line workers and last mile delivery jobs.
Amazon is becoming one of the only employers for less skilled workers ... because of Amazon's ruthless pricing, co-mingling, white-labeling, outsourced externalities, and other strategies. This is why we have anti-trust.
Whether others are also abusive or incentivize dehumanizing behavior is irrelevant.
Re: Documents show Amazon is aware drivers pee in bottles and even defecate enroute
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wonder why this is so downvoted? If you think peeing in a bottle is degrading, it doesn't seem that using a product like this would be any more degrading than the male method. I have women friends who use devices like these when we hike and there's nothing weird or embarrassing about it for any of us. Though it's important to note that women's bathroom needs are different from men in more ways than just the mechani…
When you hike? I'd have thought doing it in nature would be fine (considering all the animals doing the same). I always do so when I hike anyway (just making sure there's nobody around :P ). My female friends also do so. Not sure exactly how as I am polite enough to turn around O:-) Indeed menstruation is a different issue altogether.
The device in question allows women to pee like men, while standing with pants on. This is the feature referenced for hiking, I think.
It can also be used to pee in bottles.
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think any organization that actually incentivizes employees to complete small, objectively-measurable tasks quickly will have stories like this once you've got enough employees. Unless you keep cameras on them at all times, I guess. These stories are always framed this way as if only someone truly desperate would stoop to peeing in bottles. But to many people, peeing in a bottle is actually not a big deal and is, i…
"Actually workers want to piss in bottles instead of being given fair breaks" is a wild take.
It is, but it’s not what I said.
Re: Documents show Amazon is aware drivers pee in bottles and even defecate enroute
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wonder why this is so downvoted? If you think peeing in a bottle is degrading, it doesn't seem that using a product like this would be any more degrading than the male method. I have women friends who use devices like these when we hike and there's nothing weird or embarrassing about it for any of us. Though it's important to note that women's bathroom needs are different from men in more ways than just the mechani…
When you hike? I'd have thought doing it in nature would be fine (considering all the animals doing the same). I always do so when I hike anyway (just making sure there's nobody around :P ). My female friends also do so. Not sure exactly how as I am polite enough to turn around O:-) Indeed menstruation is a different issue altogether.
Peeing in nature is fine. The reason for things like this for a woman to pee normally means exposing a lot more skin to eyes and the weather. Also, the usual scenario for being seen is someone not of your group coming up behind you--and with a pee funnel your bum isn't exposed at all.
(Poo is another matter--you're expected to bury it 6-8" down, at least 200' from the trail, at least 200' from water. If you can't meet all three of these requirements you're expected to use a poo disposal bag (commonly called a WAG bag) and pack it out.) Locally, if you can accomplish the digging you're very likely in a watercourse.
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#1089 comments at the time of writing this, and three of them are already saying this a "normal" practice. Let's get something very clear: making your employees work insane hours for a simple delivery job, at such a rate that _you literally cannot deliver your daily packages if you do not shit in a bag on the side of the road_ should be criminal. Seeing people with a cushy little job in IT paid more than 90% of their fel…
You don't understand what many of us are saying--even with *zero* time pressure this will happen. If you're paid piecework it's simply common sense.
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#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
When you hike? I'd have thought doing it in nature would be fine (considering all the animals doing the same). I always do so when I hike anyway (just making sure there's nobody around :P ). My female friends also do so. Not sure exactly how as I am polite enough to turn around O:-) Indeed menstruation is a different issue altogether.
Peeing in nature is fine. The reason for things like this for a woman to pee normally means exposing a lot more skin to eyes and the weather. Also, the usual scenario for being seen is someone not of your group coming up behind you--and with a pee funnel your bum isn't exposed at all. (Poo is another matter--you're expected to bury it 6-8" down, at least 200' from the trail, at least 200' from water. If you can't mee…
Ah that makes sense. Where I hike in northern Spain there is a lot of foliage cover so this wouldn't be as much of an issue.
Re: Documents show Amazon is aware drivers pee in bottles and even defecate enroute
#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
Disclaimer: Work at AWS now. Opinion my own, and I have both good and bad things about my employer. I also have extreme reservations about capitalism. 1.) This is all competent PR. PR is there to cast the employer in a good light, and bait-and-switch is a tactic used since before there was a formalized PR industry. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Amazon PR was going to next say 'most of our drivers aren't Amazon emp…
> Can Amazon do more? Yes. Should Amazon be a corporate leader? Yes. But this a larger problem than Amazon. This happens across industries with line workers and last mile delivery jobs. Amazon is becoming one of the only employers for less skilled workers ... because of Amazon's ruthless pricing, co-mingling, white-labeling, outsourced externalities, and other strategies. This is why we have anti-trust. Whether other…
> "Whether others are also abusive or incentivize dehumanizing behavior is irrelevant."
Only irrelevant if you want to fix symptoms, not causes.
If you demonize a specific company, you might change a company's practices. This is good for the workers at that company who are treated inhumanely.
But know that by focusing on the behavior of a specific company rather than economic system that incentivizes companies to treat humans as disposable cogs, you're letting off the hook every other company that engages in the same behavior. By focusing on the behavior of a company rather than dearth of meaningful regulation to protect workers, you're enabling the exploitation of workers across a swath of industries.
If your appendix bursts, morphine will make it hurt less. But it's probably better to do surgery to handle the root cause.