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Amazon keeps trying to troll US Congress members in perplexing new PR strategy

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Re: Amazon keeps trying to troll US Congress members in perplexing new PR strategy

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Post by thatguy0900 »

908B64B197 wrote: post #9
scdp wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They just follow the laws... but also spend massive amounts of money to bend policymakers in a direction they like. For every "why not just fix xyz?" there is a ton of pressure to keep xyz broken.

> but also spend massive amounts of money to bend policymakers in a direction they like. Which is, again, made legal by the legislators. But Warren certainly isn't going to to against her fellow lawmakers and remind the public that letting corporation lobby their ways is a legislative choice. Instead she chose to go after the easy target where she can whine... while still effectively doing nothing!

Why is this downvoted? It's true, she has the power to fix everything she is complaining about, even the lobbying to keep things broken.

Re: Amazon keeps trying to troll US Congress members in perplexing new PR strategy

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Post by scdp »

908B64B197 wrote: post #9
scdp wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They just follow the laws... but also spend massive amounts of money to bend policymakers in a direction they like. For every "why not just fix xyz?" there is a ton of pressure to keep xyz broken.

> but also spend massive amounts of money to bend policymakers in a direction they like. Which is, again, made legal by the legislators. But Warren certainly isn't going to to against her fellow lawmakers and remind the public that letting corporation lobby their ways is a legislative choice. Instead she chose to go after the easy target where she can whine... while still effectively doing nothing!

So her time would be better spent calling out specific legislators (wouldn't that be whining as well)? She already does that all the time. I'm not sure getting more people to think "donors have too much influence" is effective at all since that's already an extremely popular opinion (bipartisan even!).

Re: Amazon keeps trying to troll US Congress members in perplexing new PR strategy

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Post by scdp »

thatguy0900 wrote: post #11
908B64B197 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but also spend massive amounts of money to bend policymakers in a direction they like. Which is, again, made legal by the legislators. But Warren certainly isn't going to to against her fellow lawmakers and remind the public that letting corporation lobby their ways is a legislative choice. Instead she chose to go after the easy target where she can whine... while still effectively doing nothing!

Why is this downvoted? It's true, she has the power to fix everything she is complaining about, even the lobbying to keep things broken.

What specifically can she do single-handedly to fix everything she complains about?

Re: Amazon keeps trying to troll US Congress members in perplexing new PR strategy

#14

Post by 908B64B197 »

scdp wrote: post #12
908B64B197 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but also spend massive amounts of money to bend policymakers in a direction they like. Which is, again, made legal by the legislators. But Warren certainly isn't going to to against her fellow lawmakers and remind the public that letting corporation lobby their ways is a legislative choice. Instead she chose to go after the easy target where she can whine... while still effectively doing nothing!

So her time would be better spent calling out specific legislators (wouldn't that be whining as well)? She already does that all the time. I'm not sure getting more people to think "donors have too much influence" is effective at all since that's already an extremely popular opinion (bipartisan even!).

> So her time would be better spent calling out specific legislators

Depends on her goals. If it's to make sure Amazon pays more taxes, yes. If it's to score Twitter Points with her base, then no.

Re: Amazon keeps trying to troll US Congress members in perplexing new PR strategy

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Post by Barrin92 »

thatguy0900 wrote: post #11
908B64B197 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but also spend massive amounts of money to bend policymakers in a direction they like. Which is, again, made legal by the legislators. But Warren certainly isn't going to to against her fellow lawmakers and remind the public that letting corporation lobby their ways is a legislative choice. Instead she chose to go after the easy target where she can whine... while still effectively doing nothing!

Why is this downvoted? It's true, she has the power to fix everything she is complaining about, even the lobbying to keep things broken.

>she has the power

she is exactly one elected representative facing opposition from countless of people who literally have their political campaigns bankrolled by the very powers she is supposed to stand up against.

Is Warren empress of the United States and can just wish legislation into reality or am I missing something?

Re: Amazon keeps trying to troll US Congress members in perplexing new PR strategy

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Post by airhead969 »

Barrin92 wrote: post #15
thatguy0900 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is this downvoted? It's true, she has the power to fix everything she is complaining about, even the lobbying to keep things broken.

>she has the power she is exactly one elected representative facing opposition from countless of people who literally have their political campaigns bankrolled by the very powers she is supposed to stand up against. Is Warren empress of the United States and can just wish legislation into reality or am I missing something?

Yes. /s

Bezos is the richest person in the world, and it's obvious the lobbyists he pays to copypasta the text of laws and get politicians doing his bidding by ensuring "$upport" motivate them to benefit the rich like him.

Americans have a "minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy" compared to the rich.

Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746

Re: Amazon keeps trying to troll US Congress members in perplexing new PR strategy

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Post by airhead969 »

tlibert wrote: post #16

Got locked out of Amazon account weeks ago, requires a phone call to fix. That tiny bit of friction has gotten me off my last few Amazon purchases and I’m grateful for it.

What does that unclear language mean? You didn't pay for them or didn't make them?

Re: Amazon keeps trying to troll US Congress members in perplexing new PR strategy

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Post by BugWatch »

supergirl wrote: post #17

unrelated: the cookie notice om theverge can’t possibly be legal. it only offer I Agree and if you want opt out then they explain how to disable cookies in the browser

I have recently started writing down a (private) list, provisionally called "cookie assholes" ("monsters" would be too cute), for those of-special-note entries like this, with dark patterns and similar crap, potentially with eventual intent of reporting the offenders to the GDPR enforcing bodies.

Maybe a community-driven auto-block/auto-reject/auto-hide rules - 'cause I'm sick and tired of being expected to sit down and manually off-toggle the 300-600 toggle switches without "Reject all" option (of course, I "cheat"); and to fish around for "hidden" sections, with different-but-functionally-the-same controls; and to avoid their "legitimate uses" (yeah, right).

In short, I'm adding them on the list.

In any case, anyone else aware of similar initiatives, block lists, addons, or similar solutions?

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