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Unfortunately it's import controls that stop the distribution internationally.
Works just fine in EU and to Switzerland
I would argue that's regional.
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> You can't enslave an animal that lacks free will and intellect by nature. I challenge you to define “free will” in a way which is simultaneously testable, and also something humans have and other animals lack. I have yet to hear a single definition which is all three at the same time, despite my A-level in philosophy — every testable definition I’ve encountered has either been something animals and humans both have…
> I challenge you to define “free will” in a way which is simultaneously testable, and also something humans have and other animals lack every animal, except humans, lack the neurological structures to process the concept of "free will" which is entirely a human construct. If they had free will, they would fight for it or at least some of them would. One could argue that we still don't know the human brain, so how ca…
> If they had free will, they would fight for it or at least some of them would.
What would that look like? Running away? Because that behaviour pops up in news often enough.
Conversely, there’s learned helplessness — discovered by animal research and yet also demonstrated in humans. Do humans demonstrating this lack free will?
> One could argue that we still don't know the human brain, so how can we exclude that animals haven't what it takes to understand free will?
I’m not asking if animals understand free will, but if they have it — humans don’t seem to understand it even though we can talk about it (judging by the difficulty of nailing down a definition) so I would actually be very surprised if it turned out any non-human animal understood it.
I don’t understand the point you’re trying to make about bovine aggression?
Re: French monks locked down with 2.8 tonnes of cheese pray for buyers
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Either way, a typical female dairy cow during its lifetime is made to give birth about 4 times (they don't give milk otherwise), each time its baby is taken away so maximum milk can be harvested and then the mother is killed about 5 years into its 20 year lifespan when it stops producing as much milk. This is the reality of profitable dairy farming and people don't like to be told about it or think about it. If you t…
Most of them are not farmed in a sustainable cycle that prevents those animals from become endangered species? Or they think of the animals as pet animals. As for fur, I'm guessing it's because a moral panic happened in the 80s and nobody really cared that much about fur, since it was a luxury item for a few, while meat, milk and leather somewhat is something that everyone pretty much still uses today worldwide.
> milk… is something that everyone pretty much still uses today worldwide
I don't understand where people come up with this nonsense. Do you just generalize your experience to everyone else? 68% of the world population is lactose intolerant: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28690131/
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All the meat we eat are female cows?
No, beef cows make calves. The heifers are kept to make more calves. The males are castrated and get turned into beef.
In high school in Texas our Ag teacher described the castration part as "getting their minds off the ass and on the grass."
Re: French monks locked down with 2.8 tonnes of cheese pray for buyers
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> Sounds like torture and slavery to me. To me as well, and yet you and I are in a small minority. Also: farming involves actions up to a year in advance of consequences, so change is slow and rare.
You can't enslave an animal that lacks free will and intellect by nature. Whether such farming practices are cruel is dependent on the particular practices. Obviously, one ought not be cruel to animals whether they lack free will and intellect or not. However, much of the woolly and sentimental "animal rights" polemic is grounded in gross misapprehension and anthropomorphization of animals other than us. It is terrib…
I don't believe that the idea of "free will" can exist in a form that excludes non human mammals but still includes humans. As soon as you have a classical mammal brain there cannot be a magic difference like that.
If we were to entertain such an idea that you can still lack "free will" despite possessing a mammalian brain then we don't even know whether all humans have free will. There would be two factors, either genetics or education. There are obvious historic reasons for why basing the existence of free will on genetics is bad. Basing the existence of free will on education is even worse because education is completely arbitrary and you could teach animals free will to some extent.
Going by the education criteria: If you could get human slaves and let them give birth then the child would lack the necessary education and we can enslave the child as well.
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Kind of strange, because cows don't just produce milk by nature. Much like humans they have to be impregnated & give birth, after which they produce milk for about ten months. Inquisitive people might wonder how the cow is impregnated in the first place and what happens to the calf.
I assume they either use a bull or use artificial insemination and the calf gets taken away to be slaughtered and eaten. Do they do it differently in France?
As it's a monastery we must leave open the possibility of immaculate conception
Re: French monks locked down with 2.8 tonnes of cheese pray for buyers
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Most of them are not farmed in a sustainable cycle that prevents those animals from become endangered species? Or they think of the animals as pet animals. As for fur, I'm guessing it's because a moral panic happened in the 80s and nobody really cared that much about fur, since it was a luxury item for a few, while meat, milk and leather somewhat is something that everyone pretty much still uses today worldwide.
> milk… is something that everyone pretty much still uses today worldwide I don't understand where people come up with this nonsense. Do you just generalize your experience to everyone else? 68% of the world population is lactose intolerant: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28690131/
You might be surprised, but being lactose intolerant doesn't mean you don't consume milk. Lactose-free milk exists, tablets that allow you to consume lactose exist, and most importantly, even lactose intolerant people can usually eat a small amount without suffering ill effects. So someone who can't drink a glass of milk usually can eat some pastry made with milk. So just because 68% of humanity is lactose intolerant doesn't mean 68% of humanity doesn't consume milk in some form.
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Most of them are not farmed in a sustainable cycle that prevents those animals from become endangered species? Or they think of the animals as pet animals. As for fur, I'm guessing it's because a moral panic happened in the 80s and nobody really cared that much about fur, since it was a luxury item for a few, while meat, milk and leather somewhat is something that everyone pretty much still uses today worldwide.
> milk… is something that everyone pretty much still uses today worldwide I don't understand where people come up with this nonsense. Do you just generalize your experience to everyone else? 68% of the world population is lactose intolerant: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28690131/
I don't understand where people come up with this nonsense. All diary products gradually lose lactose as they are processed more and more, so for example 24 month old Gruyere doesn't contain any of it (less than 0.1g for 100g even for standard ones). You can be hardcore intolerant and still enjoy this fine Swiss product or any other from hundreds French ones, British etc. without any issue, in any amount.
Plus all the rest others written.
Re: French monks locked down with 2.8 tonnes of cheese pray for buyers
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> I challenge you to define “free will” in a way which is simultaneously testable, and also something humans have and other animals lack every animal, except humans, lack the neurological structures to process the concept of "free will" which is entirely a human construct. If they had free will, they would fight for it or at least some of them would. One could argue that we still don't know the human brain, so how ca…
> If they had free will, they would fight for it or at least some of them would. What would that look like? Running away? Because that behaviour pops up in news often enough. Conversely, there’s learned helplessness — discovered by animal research and yet also demonstrated in humans. Do humans demonstrating this lack free will? > One could argue that we still don't know the human brain, so how can we exclude that ani…
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