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Re: U.S. fears China attack on Taiwan

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Post by hpoe »

xibalba wrote: post #91

Whenever I see articles like this, my gut reaction is to think of every damn foreign conflict the U.S. has been involved in post-WWII. Have we not learned our lessons yet? Is it really in our best interests to get involved in yet another far flung military conflict? What will the return on lives lost and trillions of $$$ spent be?

The CCP must be stopped. If China takes Taiwan and we do not stop them our children and grandchildren will look upon us in the same manner we looked upon Neville Chamberlain and his policy of appeasement to avoid a conflict with Nazi Germany, and if the US stands up to the CCP I will gladly sign up to carry a gun. This isn't because I think America is perfect it isn't because I think that we are the 100% blameless good guys but it's because I know for certain that there are things that are evil in this world and that it is worth it to die to stop that kind of evil.

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Post by thesuperbigfrog »

dragonwriter wrote: post #68
lmilcin wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia took Crimea even though it was recognized as territory of Ukraine. No large power recognizes Taiwan as sovereign country, not even US. The largest country that recognizes Taiwan is Guatemala. I don't see how it is out of the question that China just sails to Taiwan and takes it while everybody else stands and watches.

No one may formally recognize Taiwan, but lots of major countries have done a lot more to arm and prepare to protect Taiwan from China than anyone ever did Ukraine from Russia pre-Crimea. Recognition isn't nothing, but concrete support without recognition is more valuable than the reverse.

The US sells military equipment to Taiwan on par with what is sold to Europe.

Hint: the sales are probably not to make money.

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Post by pyrophane »

jancsika wrote: post #95
gentleman11 wrote: post #54

All the American companies that choose to censor the word Taiwan and call it part of China are directly complicit with this. No rational person in a position of responsibility could have thought that this wasn’t the long term intention

C'mon, outraged web person #eleventy thousand twenty two-- take 15 seconds out of your outrager to cite a source. Here's how it works. You paste a link you found, like so: https://www.businessinsider.com/which-companies-have-changed...

> Be kind. Don't be snarky. Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine. Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: U.S. fears China attack on Taiwan

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Post by Fricken »

gspr wrote: post #96
sneak wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The anti-China rhetoric and propaganda in the USA has been steadily ramping up over the last 3-5 years as well, for better or worse. I don't think this is an accident or happenstance. If China decided to take Taiwan in a small and local (and, let's be honest: extremely quick) action, there would be broad domestic support in the US for the US interfering.

> The anti-China rhetoric and propaganda in the USA has been steadily ramping up over the last 3-5 years as well, for better or worse. I don't think this is an accident or happenstance. Yeah, it's really strange that negative rhetoric has been ramping up against a government that is now running full-blown ethnic concentration camps in Xinjiang, is flagrantly stomping on the democratic rights of the people of Hong Kon…

>According to a survey conducted by the Hong Kong Public Opinion Research Institute in December 2019, one-fifth of Hong Kong's population supported Hong Kong independence, while 56% of Hongkongers opposed it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_independence

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Post by BingoAhoy »

kelnos wrote: post #76
Kinrany wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think they had or needed substantial local support in Crimea. A bunch of zealots will do.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find even a "bunch" of people in Taiwan who want to be under Beijing's rule, or would even consider that a tolerable compromise position. Certainly the country is far from unified on the idea of independence (though that particular movement has gotten stronger over the past couple decades), but culturally and politically, China and Taiwan are quite different and incompatible.

From my second hand laymen sources, there are in fact pro China advocates in Tiawan. Also surprisingly enough, there was a sizable loyalist group in the American 13 colonies who supported continued British colonialism.

Re: U.S. fears China attack on Taiwan

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Post by f6v »

hawk_ wrote: post #7

If you're to follow local media in China, the rhetoric around taking back Taiwan has grown stronger. Winnie the pooh also got a time limit extension on CCP leadership on the platform of a fully unified China. The signs are all there, though I just don't see how anything resembling a conventional warfare can happen there. The potential lives at risk are quite high and if the toll is that high it will be difficult to s…

> Also it's not like Crimea annexation where the aggressor had local support.

As a crimean, I find the way you write “Crimea wanted to become part of Russia” extremely funny.

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Post by pjc50 »

cwwc wrote: post #87
justicezyx wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which intentional treaty denied Taiwan being part of China? BTW, it's totally fine for people living on the Taiwan island to form an independent country, like what Jewish people did. But please, do not annex my home country's sovereign land.

Sorry bud, but didn't Taiwan lose China; not the other way around? If anything, Taiwan has a claim on China as sovereign land. This is Stupid, yes, but but it would (very roughly) be like if in 1066 the Normans had lost -- and then they kept claiming "Britain is ours!" Years later. Uhhh... No. Britain would be the Anglo-Saxon's. No question. Call me out if my logic is off -- but this seems more reasonable at a glance…

Hilariously, the Normans that conquered Britain lost the fight for their home lands in Normandy, and England retained claims over parts of France for centuries. I think it lasted until the Treaty of Utrecht?

Edit: no, it lasted until the Revolution, seven centuries after 1066. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_claims_to_the_French...

Re: U.S. fears China attack on Taiwan

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Post by tablespoon »

sthnblllII wrote: post #104
cwwc wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry bud, but didn't Taiwan lose China; not the other way around? If anything, Taiwan has a claim on China as sovereign land. This is Stupid, yes, but but it would (very roughly) be like if in 1066 the Normans had lost -- and then they kept claiming "Britain is ours!" Years later. Uhhh... No. Britain would be the Anglo-Saxon's. No question. Call me out if my logic is off -- but this seems more reasonable at a glance…

It would be accurate if the UK today were claiming northern France as an integral part of England.

> It would be accurate if the UK today were claiming northern France as an integral part of England.

The ROC aka Taiwan does officially claim the rest of China as an integral part of its territory, and the CCP would get pissed and probably start a war if it didn't.

This shit is complicated. When it comes to the issue of Taiwan, the de facto and de jure positions are often completely contradictory.

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